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Half of PC's not ready for Vista

April 7, 2006 11:57:36 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

How surprising this is.  2gig of RAM for "added" performance. 

 

"While nearly every current PC will be able to run Windows Vista, only half will be able to take full advantage of all of it's features, a recent study by research firm Gartner suggests. In turn, the firm is urging IT managers to take caution when ordering new PCs.

Today's average processor and hard drive should be sufficient to install and use Vista, Gartner says. However, a newer graphics card is likely required if the user wishes to take advantage of the Aero user interface, and the computer should have at least 1GB of memory installed for the operating system to run smoothly."

http://www.betanews.com/article/Report_Half_of_PCs_Not_VistaReady/1144422884

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Reply #1 April 7, 2006 12:46:25 PM
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I wonder how this compares to when XP came out. Or any other OS for that matter.
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Reply #2 April 7, 2006 1:06:59 PM
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I believe there is a "Optimization" step in the building of a Microsoft (or any good software) product, which focuses on providing the best support base for consumers and company alike.

It is still quite early to make any concrete statements on what current mainstream machines will and will not run Vista with full functionality.

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Reply #3 April 7, 2006 1:10:33 PM
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Simple...People want more features running quickly at their fingertips...If you dont juice up the horspower it will run slower and seem like a crappy choice...It's only logical to have a high system requirment to support all the things that will have to be running in the background for better speed and launching time...Thi9nk how fast a 1gb 3Ghz HT proccesor starts up and loads apps....then try it on a 2Ghz P4 with 512...Not even comprable...So it should require more power...
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Reply #4 April 7, 2006 1:38:43 PM
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The funny thing is that most people want more power, regardless what they do on their PCs. Of the people that I know who use PC's, most always complain how slow their PCs are when just looking at Email, playing simple games or chatting online. Even with DSL the PCs are still to slow for them, imagine if they worked with video and audio editing tools or played more graphical games like Halo 2.

So what is the problem with needing a more powerful system to run Vista? More money for new parts? Hell, everything drops price so fast now a days that by the time Vista is out, chances are you would pay as much for a new system then than you would for it now.

Regardless if they're PC geeks or amatures, they all want more power and better performance. Microsoft is just taking advantage of it.

Right now, there are PC's out there that are more powerful that what XP needs to run smoothly. If they can afford that then I don't see the problem.
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Reply #5 April 7, 2006 2:13:31 PM
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Eventually it won't just be power that is the issue, but whether you have the TPM for the DRM requirements. They're dragging their feet on Vista last I heard, so perhaps it will be the next release, but eventually hardware DRM will be a requirement as well.

I use a 266 laptop/32 megs of ram and it doesn't seem slow to me for just email, surfing, etc., and it streams music from the net without a hiccup. I admit that for gaming people are beginning to need more advanced rigs, but for the tasks mentioned in #4 you can go back a long way and still be comfortable. The problems with slow computers are malware and idiotic programs runnning in the background 99% of the time.

The real annoyance will be the people that buy machines in the months running up to the Vista release who find that their machines aren't even upgradable to the Vista standards.
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Reply #6 April 7, 2006 2:35:46 PM
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2gig of RAM for "added" performance





and i thought that when i added to my pc 1 Gb more it was goin to get even more faster, now i have to buy an other one?!?

NO WAY! i'll keep my Xp system ...

...thankx for the info, Island Dog!

oh! i forget to mention that i get the news that Halo 2 for pc would come out just for Windows Vista!!! imagine that! now, if whant to buy that game, i also have to get another Gb., to prevent that my pc freeze.., gg, Bill Gates is an evildoer man
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Reply #7 April 7, 2006 2:44:16 PM
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Heh- Makes me want to switch over to Novel and Linux and just dump Windows altogether. There always has been a jump-up in technology requirements evertime a new O.S. comes out from Microsoft. I swear its like he owns Intel/AMD stock.
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Reply #8 April 7, 2006 3:52:51 PM
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My homework laptop has been converted into Ubuntu OS. It has some problems but hey it's free and works very well. What made it work so well is ndiswrapper. It enabled my brand new Pre-N wireless card to work.
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Reply #9 April 7, 2006 4:16:00 PM
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How surprising this is. 2gig of RAM for "added" performance.

People ask why we need 64bit computers.  There is your answer.  The physical limitation of 32bit is 4gb.  The OS and features are going to push us to 64bit.  AMD has a head start.  Intel better catch up now.

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Reply #10 April 7, 2006 8:11:37 PM
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Intel is currently working on the "Conroe" chip family and they have successfully put "quad-core" on the die.

There will be a desktop chip, notebook chip, and a server chip. These are due out 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2007, and all have some level of advanced power management incorporated into the chip (similar to the Pentium "M" technology).

We should see more documentation on this family (probably around Vista release, or so).

I believe AMD is working on multiple core chips, but I have only seen a passing article on the Intel "Conroe" family. Intel is hoping to prompt hardware manufacturers to build better power management capable hardware devices that can interact with the new direction for power concerns.

Not sure if this will be 64 bit, 32 bit, or both though.

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Reply #11 April 7, 2006 8:14:26 PM
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Oops, here is the article I read http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6047044.html
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Reply #12 April 7, 2006 8:37:00 PM
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I would expect them to start phasing out 32bit soon, shouldn't they? I don't remember how long the last switch took, but I don't think it took that long once 95 came out, did it? I guess the first 64bit-only OS is still a ways away, though.
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Reply #13 April 7, 2006 8:43:02 PM
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I wonder how Vista will run on an Intel Mac.

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Reply #14 April 7, 2006 9:03:48 PM
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Well, the articles are a bit confusing with all the naming of technologies, but here is a bite on some Intel 64-bit plans http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03/17/intel_plots_4mb_l2_64bit/

A bit dated (March 2006).

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Reply #15 April 7, 2006 9:22:11 PM
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PCs not ready for Vista?
Well, as I know MS, it will take another year or two after release until Vista can be considred ready for PCs.

/Anoher happy Ubuntu user - XP for gaming puposes only
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Reply #16 April 7, 2006 9:46:19 PM
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The final release it way off, Microsoft has plenty of time to optimize it to run on most systems.

Also most people don't know that, the glass effect & graphical UI will like be able to run off a DirectX 8 card. I've hearing alot of information that the real GUI elements will be held for DirectX9 cards, so in theory most laptops & desktops with a decent video card will have the effects seen in the CTPs so far.

Can't say in too sure though
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Reply #17 April 7, 2006 10:23:42 PM
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I'm going to wait until Vista is released before worrying about upgrading any of my hardware, but according to what I've read so far, my custom built rig (1.5 gig of RAM, A8N-VM ASUS mobo and AMD 3200+ CPU) should reasonably handle Vista's features. XP flies on it and I'll cross the 'Vista bridge' when I come to it.

My main concern would be my 64 meg nVidia Geforce TurboCache [TM] graphics card, though it can draw from RAM up to 256mb and supports WB5, per pixel and quite a few graphic intensive games admirably....if it needs upgrading, then so be it.
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Reply #18 April 8, 2006 11:13:35 AM
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I don't remember how long the last switch took, but I don't think it took that long once 95 came out, did it? I

This one will be a lot faster, if for no other reason than it is way overdue.  We got 32bit computing long before we needed the memory addresses.  We need the memory addresses NOW, not tomorrow.

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Reply #19 April 8, 2006 10:17:53 PM
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They still sell lots of laptops with no videocard (just a chipset). My 6 months old laptop is one of them. And I imagine, since they are the affortable kinds, that they aren't about to stop making them. I wonder what's Microsoft's plans for these...
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Reply #20 April 9, 2006 11:24:48 AM
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I never thought of that paxx.  That is a a great point.
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