Step away from the crack pipe...

That said,,I do belive "Bomber" Harris should have been prosecuted as being the commanding officer and driving force behind the terror bombings over Germany.

Either one of us could be right or could be wrong, we just don't know.

Actually,,you ARE wrong regardless of keeping minds open or not as I DO know what I am talking about in this particular case.
Allied bombings are NOT included in the camp death toll.
Not all concentration camps were dedicated death camps. In fact there were only six of those: Auschwitz-Birkenau,,Belzec,,Chelmno,,Majdanek,,Sobibor and Treblinka.
None of these were bombed during the war,,being located in Poland.
Baden-Belsen,,Ravenbrück and the other (slave)labour camps were indeed struck at the end of the war,,but only very minor damages were noted as
1) the attacks were preformed by returning JaBos
2) most of them had already ceased all business due to the closing frontline.


Regarding the bombings of the German cities,,they were conducted with the outspoken intent of disrupting,,dehouse and kill the civilian workforce.
Such a goal cannot be described as anything but atricious.

Dachau was a very bad place, but not a Zyklon B shower place. Check the wiki Dachau concentration camp

And cremation ovens has what to do with this?

Never said that the other camps were pleasant places.
Lot of brutal things happened in them as well.
The main difference is that death was regarded as a welcome byproduct in most camps just as it was in the Sibirian Gulags,,but in the six listed above,,death WAS the product.

Isn't this what history class or a history based site is for?

Yes. Unfortunatly,,you youngsters never listen to what the teachers says,,so we have to improvise classes where you least expect them.

Feeling your age, Mumble?

Just have a birthday, and all of a sudden you feel 10 years older?

when we were that age we were pretty much the same

Speak for yourself...I've been an old fart since I was 17 hehehe

(yes,,those were the days... now I'm turning 32)

(yes,,those were the days... now I'm turning 32)

32. I have shoes older than that. I actually have a pair of wingtips that I was married in the first time around that are 34 years old. They're still in decent shape.

Wait until 36. Actually, I realized that it was all downhill at age 30

Geez. At 36 I was still playing hockey with 20 year olds. When I reached 50, I realized I couldn't keep up with the youngsters anymore and had to switch to the over 30 league. Still the fastest skater in that league though. But yeah, getting up in the morning I definitely feel my back, knee and elbow.

I would be very interested to know how you have come to know so much about said topics.

You could start off with reading

Regrettably an under utilized media.

Please, kyro, allow this thread to continue. Even with the nasty politics theme it's better than watching Entertainment Tonight or Survivors. I get a great satisfaction watching folks argue facts versus beliefs, as if by thinking it hard enough the red-hot poker won't burn.

It's a humble request. And I've asked for so little.

A Great Satan, if you will.

That one is rich, definitely worth saving to memory.

Then you scorch the closest libraries for anything related with WWII and start reading.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I have read many books on the subject, written by people who were obviously on both sides during that time. I am a firm believer in the saying that the winner writes the history of the event, therefore I cannot fully believe that what I am reading (or hearing/seeing) is the honest truth, unbiased and straightforward. That is why I say that we truly don't know for sure.
I've talked to my grandfather's old war buddies (when they were alive) and heard various tales from very different perspectives, but all told by US servicemen. I figured that they would know best since they were there. All it did was confuse me to hear such different tales, some of which were related in one way or another. Let's just say that our boys weren't the angels they were painted out to be in the news reels of old, or the documentaries of late. I know that in war, anything goes. No soldier is an angel no matter what side he/she is on. Regardless, it seems that a rosy shade has been cast upon us and the allies with respect to WWII and I don't think that it was as rosy as some want us to believe.