hmm... off the bat, i never meant to suggest that you shouldn't speak your mind. i'm not sure what i did to give that impression; maybe the word 'digression.' all i meant to say with that was that our discussions had gone off the original topics; i don't consider that a bad thing at all.
As long as it goes your way? (friendly poke in the RIBS)
i'm not really sure i'm even proposing to change culture directly. a culture that accepts and supports gay families already exists in some parts of the country. it's the laws i'm proposing to change
"The persecution and genocide were accomplished in stages. Legislation to remove the Jews from civil society was enacted years before the outbreak of World War II. Concentration camps were established in which inmates were used as slave labour until they died of exhaustion or disease." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust]
Exactly which laws need to be changed? There are already laws against discrimination of all types ... are gays the next "Nazi Party" ?
i know that tens of thousands of European pagans were burned alive in the past (and gays were secondary targets in the holocaust).
"Other groups were persecuted and killed by the regime, including the Roma, Soviet POWs, disabled people, homosexual men, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic Poles, and political prisoners.[3][4] Many scholars do not include these groups in the definition of the Holocaust, defining it as the genocide of the Jews" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust]
Nice to be able to write history to suit yourself, eh? What an example of bigotry. Maybe this needs to be changed first?
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"Taking into account all the victims of Nazi persecution, the death toll rises considerably: estimates generally place the total number of victims at nine to 11 million.[6]" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust]
... and that doesn't even mention the 13 million Joseph Stalin murdered (may he burn in Hell forever). All total, I've heard it said that WWII resulted in the deaths of over 60 million! Of that revised WWII ONLY total, 10% or less were Jews, even less Roma (gypsies), even less religion-related, even less homosexuals, and even less political.
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Of the political murders, the first ones to go were the homosexuals that helped Hitler form the Nazi Party in the first place (approx. June 29, 1934) six or seven years before the war started "officially." I've heard it said Hitler had them killed partly to prevent them from blabbing that he was a homosexual or sexual-weird as well ...
"The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer) or "Operation Hummingbird," was a purge of Adolf Hitler's potential political rivals in the Sturmabteilung (SA).
The SA (sometimes known as the "Stormtroopers" or "Brownshirts") , a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party, played a key role in the Nazi rise to power in the 1920s and early 1930s.[1] Once Hitler had transformed Germany into a one-party state, however," [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_long_knives]
"dislike that many conservative officers expressed over Röhm's homosexuality and some other SA leaders. Industrialists such as Albert Voegler, Gustav Krupp, Alfried Krupp, Fritz Thyssen and Emile Kirdorf, who had provided the funds for the Nazi victory, were unhappy with Röhm's socialism and his claims that the real revolution had still to take place." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_long_knives]
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"Hitler presented himself publicly as a man without an intimate domestic life, dedicated to his political "mission". He had a fiancée, Mimi Reiter in the 1920s, and later had a mistress, Eva Braun. He had a close bond with his niece Geli Raubal, which many commentators have claimed was sexual, although there is no evidence that proves this.[75] All three women attempted suicide during their relationship with him, a fact which has led to speculation that Hitler may have had unusual sexual fetishes, such as urolagnia, as was claimed by Otto Strasser. Reiter, the only one to survive the Nazi regime, denies this.[76] During the war and afterwards psychoanalysts offered numerous inconsistent psycho-sexual explanations of his pathology.[77] More recently Lothar Machtan has argued in his book The Hidden Hitler that Hitler was homosexual, while others argue that he was largely asexual." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Sexuality]
P.S. - Do you play GCII regularly? There are quite a few parallels to political domination in the game. I was just asking cause i noticed you haven't posted any games on the Metaverse, not that it's any of my business (unless of course my sexual orientation is your business?) ...
So, is it true Hitler was homosexual? and if so, how does this affect people's perceptions of homosexual's today?
Is it true that the SA (sometimes known as the "Stormtroopers" or "Brownshirts") were led by a homosexual, and went around glorifying all the stealing, murdering, persecuting, and abuse they did as some kind of "Holy Crusade"? How does that affect people's perceptions of homosexual's today?
Is it true that very recently some national gay liberation party actually sued the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) - because BSA wanted to protect young boys from being pushed into sexual confrontations with sexual predators?
