i would assume all valcanos that are outgasing and the only ones that don't outgas are the dead ones


and i have no idea where the super volcano that we call yellowstone stands but it is outgasing

That settles it, we need to stop the volcanos!!!! Put a cap on those mfers!!!

a single volcano in a single day puts more CO2 than all of mankind in one year or at least in a month vs the year. so tell me how much are we affecting the CO2 lvls

this is not true, vulcanism does not contribute more than human industry to atmoshperic CO2

Hmmm....This stuff is very interesting.



The reason one of those hasn't been performed is the appearance of the minority to be the majority and for some reason, be capable of not letting people notice in order to conduct one.

Your quoting a source that once claimed Harry potter lived at the same address as the Prime minister of england. Not exactly the most reliable. it's assertions could be right or wrong. Some of what was written in this post and others is misinformation that I will attempt to correct.


Reading a bit farther on this same page will lead you to a sticky concerning sulfuric aerosols released by the biurning of certain fossil fuels like coal and natural gas. Not surprisingly data shows that this global cooldown came right after a sharp increase by tenfold of these items useage especially in Africa and America.


The person who wrote that in wiki should be burned at the stake as a heretic...No really. Ok maybe just pummeled. This statement should read tropospheric rates of satellite imagery taken from the tropopause demonstrate a more than 5%dissimilarity between ground troposphere temperature commonly and mistakenly referred to as surface temperature and upper elevation tropospheric temperature." And reading NASA's first paper on this in the ninties you learn that they could not account for the discrepancy. reading the paper written in two thousand shows that they figured it out but couldn't correct the problem because it involved weather balloons, and then their newest paper essentially says that they didn't realize that satellites were just that good. Now they use a combination of several different types of measuring devices to account for temperatures. Did I mention that surface temperature is measured at three different levels? Satellite, weather balloon, and sea level. All of which are measuring the tropospheric temperature.



I'll agree that old data is uncertain because of poor collection, discrepancies in accounting, and also lack of understanding of some of the physics, but satellite technology, photos and qualified research represent the backbone and an integral part of global atmospheric change research. in fact much of the current debate relates to several thousand global pictures taken as the result of research done concerning global warming trends. These photos show shrinkage of glaciers, desertification, the melting of Canadian carbon sinks, a decrease in fertile lands. Gore's movie was based on primary source material collected by thousands of scientists, all of whom use more modern techniques to study these trends.



I'm unimpressed by this list. Nearly seventy per cent of this list is retired or emiritus professors who have not touched a research table in nearly twenty years. Most of them don't even have available data and are basing their arguements on conjecture and untested theories. A few of them are dead, one of them, simon from IU his most recent articles suggest he believes Anthropogenic Global Warming exists and effects the planet more than other forms but that that other forms also play a role. he never oncesided with the anti warming group.



Completely untrue. http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html
That's just fallacious info.



Also untrue.. the only planet with a possibly similar rate is neptune. http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/05/global-warming-on-jupiter.html Although not primary source he does a good job of explaining. Especially about the general temperature difference between us and venus. If we were warming like Venus we'd burn up in a year



Yeah I hate it when my weather balloon gets caught in my air conditioner. Did I mention that general temperature curves at near surface are measured by ships weather balloons, satellite and specialized thermometers that sit high in the air. Not a very likely spot for AC



Very true. Well technically we are still in the mini Ice age from what I understand. of course tempratures have never changed so radically at any time in the past, at least not so fast. Well except when the dinosaurs were all wiped out. Speed of change is very important in this discussion.



Actually they disagreed in principle about the weakness of the report. They felt that china was purposefully using political clout to weaken the reports power and therefore protested their names being placed upon what they considered a bubble gum resolution. That was in the news. No one person other than Allegre whose name was on the original report but got it removed because he changed his mind, has disagreed with the idea of GW. Allegre is an interesting problem. he voiced his active change from full support to complete antithesis only after he left the Institute and right when he got his million dollar grant from an oil company. i might be reading into this too much though

I am not someone who fully supports the theory of global warming but I am a trained geologist and chemist with a background in anthropology theatre, geology, chemistry and mathematics. Everything I have said on here is open and all of it can be documented if necessary. I encourage people to continue discussing global warming but encourage them to consider both sides especially when what someone says does not make sense. Not every person who speaks about thias subject is honest, but many of them use data disingenuously. When considering offered info please look for source but if you can't find source documentation look for these main things

1. Pertinence of info.
2. Relation to actual data/relation to data collection
3. Who is making the statement? Chances are if they are not working geologists geophysicicsts etc they may not be up with currecnt science. Which is why anne coulter can never be considered primary source.
4. Timeliness.
5. Corporate or governmental relations
6. Impact in the scientific community. (especially look for repeat offenders who come up with a new junk theory once a week.
7. compare any data listed with available NASA data chances are they either miscalculated or msstated.
8. Never believe any book automatically unless written by jk rowling. Themn you should know it's all real.


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Are you sure? I know there are dust storms on Mars. Can you have a dust storm without an atmosphere?

I'm just trying to keep my carbon-monoxide production down to a minimum. LOL

Back top the game if I may. I don't think we need to have global warming, its seems that should be kept to the Civilization series. But This idea did give me one for one of those pesky Megaevents. Not so much global warming but something that causes all farms to die. Populations would decrease etc.Maybe you'd need the alreday-in-the-game second barren world tech to be able to rebuild them.

It could be caused bu whatever the devs want really. passing asteroids (in the whole galaxy???) na. Maybe the radiation from all the ships that have been flying around.

OK.

Bah, warming shwarming. I look out my window at the chavvy kids sitting outside, drinking, swearing, and discarding their trash in my front garden while they poke fun at passers by, and I wonder why I should do anything to make the world a better place for their generation.

You can't save the planet forever, because one day the sun's going to eat it anyway. Might as well admit defeat and enjoy ourselves while we can. Besides, we could get hit by an asteroid or invaded by lizard people or something, and global warming will be the least of worries then.

Who cares?

Is Global warming happening? Indisputably yes - the evidence is overwhelming - ice fields the size of Manhattan island are breaking off the Ice Pack in the Artic daily, the clear indisputable evidence that is occurring in the ice pack is without doubt overwhelming. Other aspects to the evidence of Global Warming of course, but once its accepted its happening, endless rounds of further evidence - at least initially - are not really relevant. The question is Why is it Happening?

In any scenario of such cataclysmic emotional content, out from the woodwork cometh many - wannabe scientists groping to make a name, individuals wanting to be seen to be notable and bolster their self-worth - and so on - some genuine and just plain wrong, and the inevitable minority who initially called it out and were right. How to separate fact from fiction and personal self grandisement is always the problem.

Initially we all need to sing off the same page and agree on what global warming actually is - else how on earth can we agree on how to tackle it (if indeed its happening - which I do believe ). Such confusion can disastrously mask the real problem and therefore what to do - even cause mass confusion when individuals assume one thing, and have no real understanding of what is actually being discussed. Its kind of silly when two people realise one was describing the merits of a Gm pickup truck, and the other a Chrysler Compact - hardly surprising they disagree.

Recently I saw a post on a Board where the OP was furious, incandescent with anger. It was clear he was not being silly, and passionately believed what he said. To para phrase :

"This is nuts, how the hell can so called eminent scientists tell me we are suffering Global Warming when the US has just been through, in Winter 2006/2007, one the worst ever in many areas - Gales, bitter low temperatures, snow storms etc. They want me to believe we are suffering Global Warming? They are crazy."

That was not an isolated person or rare, I have come across it a lot. The last major aspect is we must step back from the Trees and see the Wood. There are Macro Global Weather patterns/cycles that last centuries - even thousands of years - these start and end and some point. Increasingly being heard above the "me too" clamor of man made CO2 Armageddon, is the reasoned facts of these weather patterns, we are at the change point in one of those cycles.

Does it mean we should ignore the CO2 etc saga - no of course not, life is never simple. I believe there is little doubt we have made it worse, and brought forward the weather pattern change by (ugghh pick your figure at this point in time) say 50 years (who knows). However, that weather pattern change will happen and we will never change that. What we can do is try to delay its effect, mitigate its initial impact and buy time to adjust, adapt, evolve and refocus to what will be a new environment.

We are not about to all freeze to death for ever more - or fry in the equatorial zones etc. We just have to learn over the next few decades to adapt to what is about to inevitably happen, and not arrogantly believe we can change the weather pattern of a whole planet ( In 2526 maybe, but right now in 2007, not a chance). To do that, we must as a Race focus on the reality, agree what that reality is, and move forward with a common purpose - yelling and bickering at each other as is happening today doesn’t cut it, that just confuses those who don’t really don’t know the facts or implications, and by such inaction makes matters worse.

Eventually from amongst the "Noise" of such scenarios throughout History, a "Leader" emerges, and seems to "connect" with most, bangs some heads together, orchestrates what future Historians will say was obvious in the first place(whatever that maybe) and we move forward

I just wish He or She would hurry up and stand up - we are running out of time

Regards
Zy

danielost:

that may be true, but we are not only affecting the CO2 levels by producing it trough polution but also trough cutting down the forrests that keep those levels down.


also: there is a balance on the planet. volcano produced CD2 is counted towards that balance, industrialization produced CO2 is not. we are affecting the ballance, which can be disruptive....

how and why do you stop a natural happening of the planet.


and if humans are the only couse of global warming.

then explain mars and pluto which are also going through global warming and remember we haven't been to pluto yet

now we not only have to stop the unnatural global warming on earth but also on mars, and pluto