To be honest, NOTHING on the UNSC's side should ever get nerfed, ever. If this mod goes for asymmetrical balance, then the UNSC is allready vastly weaker then the Covenant. Plus, Covie Seraphs dominate Longswords. So while the UNSC will get a lot of Longswords, they'll be wiped off the map by Seraphs. And in the end, Seraphs would be about the only thing the Longswords could hurt, unless they had a single-use nuke or something.

Well there's a simple solution to that, modify the mod when you get it to your specifications, or simply keep all fighters docked. I mean I don't mean to sound rude, but it's kinda self-centered to have the mod dumbed down because you bought a game your comp can't handle. The mod should be made up to standards, and only then should one of two things happen.

1: You mod it like I said earlier
2: A seperate, dumbed down version is released.

Because I don't know about others, but I can handle a bazillion fighters, and would like to enjoy the mod to it's fullest.

yup, on previous pages we discused about it. We came to a decision that the SMAC would be Ultra expensive, and have a squadron or 2 avalible.
Not sure if that decision still stands tho...

Edit/Add: If people are REALLY into making squadrons even, make seraphs have 5 in a squad (like the Vasari's), and Longswords have... 7? 8? dunno....

ok as far as makeing it so people with crappy comps can use it. we will have to make it
just like sins now i dont want to have it were all of a sudden every one and there mother has fighters flying around. also as far as SMAC guns go there was 300 at earth in clusters of 3 and we are going for realism thats 600 fighetrs i dont think so we will figure it out
p.s how amny people are trying to code things for this mod cause right now as far as coding its just me and canadaman and intill someone messages us and says other whys dont assume because we agree on something on the forums it will come true


p.s.s we got rid of crstal and made it humans and uped the rate so to make ships it will take money metal and humans to make

well, there are actually a few kinds of frigates that the unsc utilize

1) aereis class (i.e. Foward Under Dawn )
2) a type of carrier frigate that uses fighters (smaller then the aries,and less armoured without the mac cannon or nukes)
3) a missle unit (these have none of the point defence as the others)

they also have corvettes like the makos or the fast attack units Most likely as scout frigates

as for cruisers here are some
1) Marathon class (ala Halo 2 )
2) halycon class ( you already know )
3) leviathan class
4) feneris wolf type http://carnage.bungie.org/rogerwilco/images/Fenris_Wolf_Fore.jpg

the captioal ships can be as follows

1) Modified halycon (support like the dunov)
2) supercarrier (i.e. Trafalangar)
3)Sprit of Fire type

just a thought

About the SMAC cluster of three: This is a bit of a long shot, but here it goes. Would it be possible in any way to make a cluster of three SMACs in place of just making one at a time(don't hurt me!)

my thoughts exactly i was thinking of having it where the model looked like three platforms and it would act in salvos so each salvo would be 3 mac rounds for the cluster




as far as relaseing this whole thing our biggest concern is models right now canadaman iand i are working on a good alpha for yea but be patient please

well with in systme jumps they wouldnt be and yes and reach willl ave ALOT of tactical slots earth needs to be almost un capture able but "ALMOST" the cluster would be really powerfulto any frontal attack ship but they will turn really slow so if the covenant did an in grav well slipspace jump then they will be vulnerable

Turn prefer to focus fire to no and bring the power of each round fired to that of a frigate's MAC, it won't be to powerful.

EDIT: I think you can fix the SMAC so it won't be affected by research.

I don't agree with the whole, automaticly placing in groups of three. While we should stay close to canon, we shouldn't limit a players choices. If that player wants to put them in groups of three, which would be wise since stacking guns is allways a good thing, then he can. But if he doesn't want to, you can't force him. Not to mention, you'd basicly have to ruin the entire SMAC platform to make it work. Since it wouldn't be able to have 3 realistic stats, WAY too much firepower. So you'd have to basicly nerf the whole cluster so it's got the strength of a single SMAC, which defeats the purpose of stacking them in groups. Just leave it as a single gun, and let players choose where to put them.

1: SMAC platforms ARE doubling as hangars, I know that much for sure. I just assumed they would double as repair stations since they could dock frigates, and destroyers, and would have full repair crews onboard.

2: Well if the player was using SMACs properly, the SMAC platforms would be as close to the planet as possible, IMPOSSIBLE to jump behind them unless you can jump INSIDE the planet. If the player leaves the SMAC's flanks exposed, that's their problem and has nothing to do with the mod.

3: SMAC platforms almost allways hit their targets, the only exception being at extreme ranges. But due to the fact that a SMAC round traveled almost the speed of light, it'd be impossible to dodge it at close-medium range, which is where most engagements would take place in Sins. Also, it's the players choice to position SMAC platforms properly so they don't all target the same unit, so again that has nothing to do with the mod.

In the end, the cluster idea is just pointless, and wouldn't work properly as something would have to be removed. You can't give a player three fully operational SMACs for the price of one, and you can't jack up the price cuz then it's too hard to properly defend yoru planet. That means you'd have to dumb down the cluster to be as strong as a single SMAC, which is just stupid. Just make it singular and let the players build them, it works fine for every other mod, it'd work fine here.

Hey People, I'm back! I had my birthday yesterday but now I'm ready to get back to some modding