I use a laptop for gaming, ok? So you can't say they're not gaming machines. They're perfectly competent gaming machines.

Heh, the quad core, SLI notebooks would beg to differ on the second point. The problem is they really aren't laptops at that point, too hot to sit on your lap, they need ventilation too, so a flat surface for the feet is mandatory, and they burn through their battery in 20 minutes anyway, so you can't really use them in such a fashion even if you bring your desk with you.

If price isn't an issue, ream yourself and match the desktops. As soon as they come out with a mobile version of the 9800's, I'm sure some crazy fucker will be selling those in quad core SLI notebooks too.

. . . which rarely happens, although there are exceptions. nVidia made the mistake of creating new drivers for a new OS and releasing a new product line all at the same time, which was asking for trouble. Once the drivers are stable, however, there's not much of a need to continue updating them.

. . . and it's not as if the consoles have never had stability problems, especially with the new consoles which tend to run very hot.

. . . and oh, yeah, consoles can't really be upgraded at all. It's not as if you can buy a new video card and make your games look better in a console. The games all end up looking the same, for better or for worse.

True, but you don't need a top of the line desktop to play the vast majority of games. Only Crysis really needs something with that much power.



Agreed. I don't think they will go away, I simply think they will change. Perhaps a bit more indie, perhaps a bit less professional, but that really doesn't bother me that much. I don't need more games like Crysis as long as they are fun.

What is this Bush bashing about?

My laptop wasn't that expensive. Only a little more than the desktop.

It's questionable whether this is a useful benefit to most PC gamers. If size and mobility aren't important to you, you'll do MUCH better with a desktop, period.


Mad Cat

I just use the mobility. I rarely use it when it's not jacked in (yes, I do use landline over wi-fi).

The flaw in your argument is that graphics is the only bottleneck in a good game. Sometimes complex sims require lots of computing power that is not just graphics oriented. The more complex a game also, the less likely it can work on consoles which tend to focus on streamlined user interfaces.

However, I would agree that less complex games are more popular these days. Most people don't or can not spend the time to play more involved games, so therefore limit themselves to shooter, arcade, and board games which they can get into and out of very easily. So relatively speaking, as computer gaming penetrates more of the mass market there are fewer game geeks in the mix, and therefore a relative loss of the traditional game market toward simpler types of games (even if graphically complex) which can easily be handled by consoles. But that does not mean that the hardcore gamers cease to exist, they simply are a smaller part of the market. But since they are an avid part of the market, they are a reliable share. Therefore I think you will never see PC games "die" completely, just bottom out to whatever percentage they make of a more diverse market.

Also, if someone is on a tight budget and they had to decide between a PC or a console, the PC will win every time. Consoles only perform one function (gaming), PCs many. There is no competition. And if you recall, most of the world is struggling just to get their first PC and consoles are likely out of the mix in those areas for years to come.

I have never been interested in a console and probably will never get one as I dont like having extraneous hardware cluttering up my living room. If I play games I play in a completely tricked out room designed for it using the best hardware which is a full-on desktop. Now although I like very complex sims, I also like the simpler shooter games also, but there are plenty of existing PC shooters so that I don't have to get a console for the few console-only games that are out there.

Just because you can have fun games with fewer system requirements does not allow you to conclude that fun games with higher system requirements don't or won't exist. Moreover, given that PCs are much more versatile, consoles by design will never replace them. So given a choice, people will always pick a PC over a console unless they can afford both.

Quite true: If a household has neither a PC nor a console, then the PC is very likely to be bought, because it is needed for a lot of tasks that are completely unrelated to gaming. The console is a pure entertainment device, and is usually bought for the entertainment center. It's usually considered much more of a luxury item than a PC is.

Note that I said "entertainment" not "games" - the Playstation is often bought to watch movies, as both the PS2 and PS3 are actually very good DVD (or BluRay) players.

If you look a next gen consoles or more expensive consoles like the high end PS, they already are approaching the cost of PC. Basically they are making themselves pointless, because by definition, they are more expensive. Why buy a high end console that is basically the cost of a PC but with half the functionality?

Cost is cited as one of the reasons for why PS3 sales were so crappy. Sony eventually had to lower its cost to differentiate it more for those people deciding between a PC or console.

My own take is that, if it weren't for the cutthroat marketing of consoles, they would simply be niche items, basically family luxury toys. By restricting popular game titles only to a console platform, basically they got the crying-kid crowd, the "gotta have it" consumers, to buy it no matter the cost. That bootstraps the market so now a lot of people who bought this expensive toaster have to continue to pour money into titles for it to continue to justify its existence.

I heard for example Halo has been cited frequently as the sole reason for the massive sales of Xbox in recent years, and why they continue to put off making a PC version of each Halo chapter for several years after the release of the console version of the game. That way they entice PC buyers by making them feel "left out". The correct interpretation is that it was not the console that was necessary, but the game. Console sales are driven by aggressive marketing, not intrinsic value.

I have read rediculous posts on message boards, but this is one of the top ten I have ever had the displeasure to read.

Saying computers are dieing, and giving a very poor example, just makes me laugh. Like people buy PCs to play Guitar Hero...ROFL!

Guitar Hero 3 would have played well on a PC if the greedy company that decided to port it would have taken the time to port it correctly. They were just out to make a fast buck and shaft the consumer.

Entry level gaming rigs can be bought under a grand real easily. Some starting rigs are in the 500 to 600 dollar range already. All a person would have to do is do a tiny bit of research in computer magazines to build something, or have a friend build, that would play most games. In todays computer building, it is very easy as long as you know how to tie your own shoes.

Don't even get me started on consoles. I buy those for my kids. My son's 360 already burnt out once. What a piece of garbage.

You get what you pay for, so move out of mom's house, get a job, and earn some quality entertainment. Not only that, but buy a real guitar. They are more entertaining to learn even if you can't play like Hendrix. Not having a life besides playing console games is called laziness.

I will take it, that you are not familiar with that even a PS3 is a fully-functional computer, but, that is not you fault it is still not advertised/marketed as such. For instance, the PS3 already has word processors, spreadsheet, rendering, simulation, web browsing, and other applications. The issue is absolute lack of consumer knowledge of these facts, i.e. pointing to the earlier it's not really marketed as such.

In addition, there are many research organizations now networking together PS3s into supercomputers for their needs, instead of the insane priced Intel supercomputers.

Not to mention, the price of computers is a major reason why consoles are thriving, and furthermore created a market of bargain-bin personal computers such as the "Eee PC" between $100.00-$400.00. Roughly the same price range as consoles, they offer basic computer functionality (web browsing, word processing, etc.), but cannot do much beyond that.



Most consumers did not buy into a new console, like the PS3, due to lack of library and price point. When there was an already established and well-entrenched XBOX 360 presence with a decent-sized library and price point at the time. In addition, I hardly see how a PS3 was the same cost of a PC, when the equivalent performing PC at the time was well over $1,000.00~ (excluding premium builder fees from major retailers and-or the cost of a Blu-ray player at the time). I wont even bother to explain how much of a price difference was between high-end gamers as you put it, because it's just silly in comparison. However, the story is overall different today.

The current stance is, there isn't much of a line left between consoles (XBOX 360 and PS3) and what we still consider the PC. The console is well-positioned to takeover a lot of the tasks of a PC, at a very-appealing price-point. In addition, the next-generation we might see step-upgrade options (like swappable GPU/GPGPU cards) for console computers.

I doubt we will see a definite end to PC gaming in decades, but the evidence points to an erosion of the market. To some what the market might be like in ten years, will be considered dead in their eyes and to others it will still be alive.

Imagine

Imagine the sleek console powerful or more so than ever before being built like cellphones, almost perfect, simple to use, and fits the needs of the masses (people who don't give a shit how to learn how a pc works, or what's in it).

That day will come. It's just a matter of time. And how quickly technology has evolved to this day, it's a certainty.

I can already see PC gurus being put in dusty museums near you.

Got a PS3 today, and I can already see its potentials.

Now I see why the crowd would rather go for a console than a PC. Some say that PC is so "easy" to use. Well, it's true to someone who took the time to learn it all, but not to someone who never owned any piece of technology (TV, Cell, Microwave, you name it)



I also own a Quadcore system with all the trimmings OC 3.6,but it just dawned on me that my quad will be scrap faster than the console simply of the fact that consoles will be PC or I should say super consoles. The question now is how to minimize the costs of building a console, making sure it does what a pc can do, and turning a profit (games, applications...).