Interesting you should bring up the difference between MACROevolution and MICROevolution. This is a key point that I think people are missing. Macroevolution adds the assumption that microevolution eventually amounts to speciation.

While I cannot think of a specific example off the top of my head of this happening (other than seedless fruits and other polyploidic events), I have no doubt that speciation has been observed on some level.

For those who will deny that without doing the research that I myself am too lazy to perform:

1) Fossil evolution through ground strata.
2) Embryological evidence
3) Molecular and mophological homologies
4) Seriously, do you still doubt it?

Plus, there's still the fact that it just makes logical sense. If offspring are different, eventually they will be very different. So, say a population is cleaved somehow pre- or post-zygotically. Eventually the offspring will be too different from the common ancestor to mate.

Mayans were 3 feet tall. Could a 3ft Mayan reproduce with Yao?

No one created them, they just always existed outside of time (not that anything outside of time can not always exist). They used their advanced technology to insert themselves into our time stream, but lacking the reasoning capabilities we have developed to understand such things as cause and effect, they prompted crashed into that volcano the other poster was talking about.

STILL doesn't answer the question.

COME ON! Give me an answer!

The trouble people go to, to NOT accept an intelligent designer.
To explain away the existance of God. I am sorry that God doesn't fit your explanation, for it is such a simple, believable answer.

Exactly the type of thing I figured you'd come out with. Why would I waste my time and energy? You've obviously made up your mind about evolution, despite the amount of evidence supporting it and despite the fact that there is no other viable explanation that is supported by evidence. No matter what explanation/argument I bring up about the origins of life, it will be a wasted exercise to go on for post after post with you explaining, presenting hypotheses, or making a case as it will just be summarily ignored. So, call it a cop-out if you wish. Whatever makes you feel better.

If you're really interested in seeing what the current thinking is on the origins of life, then do as I suggest and try a little research/reading. If all you want is a long, drawn-out argument full of hyperbole and invective, then try fishing for that with someone else. I'm not interested.

THERE YA GO!
From SCRATCH? Explain to me just exactly WHAT they are going to use to create this life you are talking about? From scratch would have to be from stuff MAN has created on his own. They will not be able to use ANYTHING that is already here.

So.... tell me WHAT they are going to use "from SCRATCH"...

got 'cha again..

STILL NO ANSWER!

Not my post but I would guess stardust.

Sorry... already created. You have to start from NOTHING.

You asked how to create life. Not atoms in general. You must ask precise. Ask how did all this mass came to be?

How about this question? Why do we have to start from nothing, if there always WAS something? How do you know there was nothing? Wouldn't that mean there wasn't a god? What created god? But wait... God was always here.. hmmmm?

I'd like to worship a book written about stories told through generations, but I'll try to stick to what we do know.

Wanna see a really cool perspective? I did some digging and came to someone who resembles my own viewpoint... the smartest man in the country, of course.

http://www.ctmu.org/

Intellegent Design is NOT science. It is creationism. I have no problem with people believing in a higher power, just dont try to tell me it should be in a science class. It is religion!

Yeah, and that Holocaust thing. Man, there's no facts on that. Typical lib'ral ivory tower "science" BS, right?



You're an idiot if you think evolution or abiogenesis in any way resembles a space shuttle getting hit with lightning. You are also an idiot if you think there was a consensus in the 1400s that the world was flat, as that's a myth that would get you laughed out of the room by History 101 students. Idiots aren't worth arguing with or educating. Read a book, preferably one without Sean Hannity on the cover. People like Sibilantae and Legerdemain have had the will to learn more about this subject, but you do not and I'm not interested in extending the formality of educating you nicely. Stop posting.

I am still trying to wrap my arms around such a ridiculous answer.


My question has been the same... How did life begin?


We are back to square one... who/what created the quark?



Please answer my "Space Shuttle" analogy. My answer is that someone had to DESIGN and create the shuttle. It just didn't "evolve" from a bunch of parts laying around.
Again, I cannot explain how God came to be. That is beyond anyone's comprehension. That is something that we will never be able to explain or comprehend. Some things we just have to accept. Just because we can't explain it "scientifically" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Can you tell me exactly WHY mixing the right proportions of hydrogen and oxygen together makes water? Why does it always make water.. why hasn't that "evolved" into making something different?
As far as the Big Bang answer... just how did the laws of physics come to be to even allow that explosion... and SOMETHING had to explode. Someone had to design even the laws of physics.

There is a species of frogs that live in an area without water. They survive because they have the ability to lay the eggs and use their legs to move the eggs into a moist pocket on the females back. Without the moisture, the eggs would dry up and die, never being able to go from tadpole to frog. The evolutionist explain it this way: The water dried up, and the frogs adapted over time... they adapted (evolved) the moist sac and the ability to move the eggs to that sac. Makes sense, huh? EXCEPT.. how did the species survive the million or so years to evolve into this new species without the water to keep the eggs viable? They would have died out after the next generation eggs shriveled up. Simple answer... they were CREATED that way. They would NOT have survived the evolution process.

Evolution is so full of holes; it is unbelievable that so many people think it makes perfect sense.

I still have NO answer to that simple question... how did life start?
Maybe I should check back in a million years or so, to give the evolution folks time to think of an answer. But fortunatley, I won't be around then. I will be with the creator Himself, and will be able to understand HIS answer.