Well he was saying non-demigod units.. we can give him the benefit of the doubt and say he meant the NPC-controlled creeps and not Generals minions, so it wouldn't be bad.


I'll agree though, giving a bonus to someone who is winning is BAD.
It's the "snowball effect" i've mentioned in another thread. As the snowball gets bigger it's rate of growth increases even more. This is bad for games. Someone who can get 15 kills with out dying, or get 3 kills within 30 seconds, does NOT need further help with killing people.

CoD4 has this with the airstrike and helicopter. I've never played a game where it's so easy to get 100 kills while only having 5 deaths.

But you have games like Halo3 on the opposite end that I hate too.. console controls are so dumbed down with the auto-aim and simplifaction that the top 1% of Halo players hardly get better K:D's than the top 25%.
If i'm not mistaken, a 3:1 or 4:1 K:D ratio in Halo3 is considered extremely high. While in Quake3, or UT, the top players will be getting like 20:1 as they're basically pure skill games.


The best player in Demigod presumably is going to have an advantage with more gold, maybe more XP too, like DotA. But hopefully unlike DotA the expensive items aren't better performance-per-cost than the cheaper ones.

What button is autoscreenshot in cod4, that saves i n the screenshots folder? Is it screenshot, or f12 or something?
I have gotten more than 100 kills and 5 deaths on shipment a few times but sadly no screenshot. Definitely something I can replicate though.

You're right though, it's an advantage to die in it after you get the heli.. which is also stupid! What I do, which is stupid, but I do it because i'm competitive so sadly i'll abuse things(even if I wish they weren't there at the same time ), is i'll get heli, use it, THEN suicide or get myself killed. I'll start getting kills with the heli in the my next life, makign it easier to get another heli, so i keep getting ~10 kills per death non stop. All I have to do is get 7 kills early on, and get a few "legit" kills. It's not just something i can do on shipment. :/

You say it's tough enough to get 7 kills.. but no not really because if you're good, the kills are easier. It's one shot, one kill with a lot of guns. I usually use the m16 and 75% of my kills I only have to click once. They don't get a chance to keep shooting back, i just go on to the next person.. spam the overpowered 3x grenades too.
CoD4's mechanic might not be as bad in very competitive games, but in pubs I got lots of noobs to give me those 7 kills easier.


And why does the winning team earn an extra advantage ever? They are already winning, so why do they need further help? I'm not saying the losing team should get some bonus for sucking, but I don't understand why the winning team needs help to give the losing team less of a chance than they already have by having less skill.
But for Demigod yes it needs people to level up higher, have more gold and xp.
This is part of the eb and flow of the game. You are competing for farming better than the enemy, making them run away and deny them getting xp, or making them have to sit out while they respawn. The snowballing works for Demigods gameplay in that case but that doesn't mean the higher cost items shouldn't have diminishing returns cost-per-performance wise as it's enough that the people will have more skillpoints and higher health/damage naturally, and be able to get a bit better items in the first place.

And it's not just the strategic points you need to win. If you keep killing the other team more, their respawn timers I presume get longer. So being better is enough as you can kill the other team and wreck their base while they're respawning. I don't see why you'd need a lot of extra advantages when being better should be enough.


A little snowballing is needed, though yes. That's where the leveling comes in, and the strategic points. But I think theres a limit to the type of advantage those points and such should give. But of course you're getting those because you're better, generally.

I was mostly just saying that the cost of weapons should have sort of dimenishing returns, unlike dota where the higher cost weapons are much better for the money than the cheap ones. That is backwards to me.

Yeah.. I can get 5:1 no problem in CoD4. But those airstrikes and heli's double that with just a click of a button, which IMO is dumb and the game would be better without them and without nade spam.

Like brn said, you can already get an advantage with controlling spots on the map. You spawn, you run to a spot where you know you won't have to watch your back much, and go around killing people. That is advantage enough, along with your skill in situational awareness and aiming.

I think Red Orchestra is a way better game.
Anyone who hasn't played it, should.
And anyone making an FPS needs to play it. The weapons have such amazing feel, and it has such great polish for an indie game
It has amazing features that the big budget games don't have, like when you're crouched you're really low, but when you bring up ironsights you raise up slightly between cruoched and standing, so you can pop up and down from cover.
And the bullets come from your gun in Red Orchestra instead of coming from your DAMNED FOREHEAD like in cod4. Which really enrages me about cod4 and if it was up to me it shouldn't be allowed to score better than 1/5 in any review because of it. It's just STUPID to do something like that. (ut2003 had projectiles coming from ABOVE the head. They fixed it in ut2004. UT3 has them coming from ABOVE the head AND hitbox, still not fixed AFAIK. You can stand behind cover and shoot people while being unhittable in both cod4 and ut3. :/)
And for it's time, Red Orchestra had some of the best animations in a game.

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On the other hand I don't think it's too unreasonable to gimp someone getting 15 kills in a row that has a god ray shining on them which is visible when they're in the fog of war so you can tell where they are.
When they die it'd of course go away.
And I'm speaking of someone who'd probably be capable of getting 10-15 kills without dying.. Well, in a pub game at least.

Heckk, I think if I had that on me it'd make me play even harder, because i know things have gotten more difficult with no longer being able to sneak up on people or be able to hide behind things to run away!

PC..
You mean you can play FPS's on a console?

Yes and no. Brn summed it nicely, I've never had such a hard time sniping (usually play PC FPS). Aiming is more difficult, but you get used to it. FYI, autoaim is off, you've actually got to wiggle your joystick to get the sights centered. And yes, I'd say the majority of players spray and pray. S&D is a different story, though.

As far as running slower, console games should run at a 60 FPS standard. The PS3 has no problem with this, but it should be noted that COD4 is running at 720p whereas a standard monitor would be more taxing.

The only advantages the PS3 version has, is its much tougher to hack and the ease of getting matches/friends together. Of course there are ways to improve both with the PC, but its a nice, throw in the disk, turn it on and start playing online setup.

But I digress...

Download FRAPS, all benchmark/showoff gamers like me have it to measure their fps, it can also record video and take screenies.

For screenshots, no. But it can also do other things:

in CoD4 F12 is screeshot. the /cg_drawfps 1 shows your FPS in CoD4 and the /cg_drawlagometer 1 displays your ping, packet loss and spikes.

 

the Difference in tCoD4 for PC is that it is completely customizable. You cna change the size of any icon, you can increase your Field of view(to the banning from some servers) You can even give yourself Grenade indicators for Flash and Stun grenades. You can average a 9% higher jump if you maintain a constant 125 FPS and even higher on some other machines(also to the banning on some servers)

 

 

BACK ON TOPIC HERE!

Even a god ray of illumination would be broken, Woudl you increase someones Line of Sight for dying 15 consecutive times? No, if they suck they can find someone more on their skill level. you shouldn't baby them with bonuses for sucking. So why would you punish a good player for being good by letting everyone see him? It doesn't make any sense either way. Visual things that affect the map or atmosphere are fine. Like in Savage 2 when a malphas hits the field Ash falls from the sky.(now i hate that my enemies know i got one, but thats part fo the reason i don't play it anymore) However the Ash does nothing to your enemies. Just like if you got 5 kills in a row sure have the clouds/sky turn a blood red hue briefly, maybe at 10 Lightning arcs across the sky. maybe at 15 fire splashes up from the edges pf the map. Those kinds of things are fine to me. Hell play a sound clip of the gods clapping for 3 kills in 5 seconds. I don't care as long as isn't a tangible benefit in any way to any of the players.