Well, we don't even know the gameplay, how can you say wasd will be better ? Wait some more weeks and we'll see what is the choice of the developpers and what is better to play an assassin or a general.

edit : oh and I really hope Diablo 3 will not use wasd.

Because it's using the Supreme Commander engine.

You could make it work but there would be a delay between when you press a key and when your character moves. I think that would drive too many people insane.

You can't remove it. It's intrically tied to how RTS engines are synchronized. They can make it smaller, but there will always be a delay.

Well that delay is going to be there whether you WASD or click, then.
so.. I don't see your point, really.

I see your point in that it is an RTS engine so adding good WASD movement COULD be more difficult, and it is the only valid argument anyone has made against it.
The other posts not in favor are just people not knowing what this game is. :/



And NO not all "birds eye games" are point and click.
I don't know where you get this from. How many games have you played in the past 5 years?..
And DotA is an RTS mod not a hero based game.

Tons of Diablo clones have WASD movement.
Tons of top-down RPGs have WASD movement.
Tops of RPGs have WASD movement. (primarily guildwars as an example, a competitive RPG like Demigod wants to half-be. And Guild Wars people typically play as what is basically a birds-eye view, zoomed so far out and looking down at your hero.)


Actually I don't even know why I justified a response to you with you posting with thinking i was suggesting to REMOVE point-and-click.

just lol

... um no.
Lol you have it reversed.

WASD is more load on the servers.

With click-to-move you click the map and it is just a single packet sent to the server and some checking up to make sure all is fine. With WASD it has to constantly update and send and receive packets.


WASD is added to MMO's and RPG's because it's superior input method for controlling a single character, shooter or not.

FABLE has you move like that because it's an ACTION RPG. Sort of like Demigod is, eh..?

Haha you don't like me because I don't like DotA.

No. I didn't say I don't like you. I said I lost respect to you. Because you are trolling about DotA, and because you are discrediting me, when I have always answered you with logical arguments, except this time ofcourse. I would loose respect if you praised DotA everywhere too.

More of why not WASD:
Do I really have to loose my orientation to just turn my hero around? Playing a bit like this feels like the battleground is moving around, not the character. Map still = 4/8-way movement. And with the battlegrounds not having any huge recognizable points around, and being the same, well unless your base is blinking, most people ARE going to get lost. Look at the ancient Greece themed map. It's just a grid made of roads.
Or... is it going to be the new WSAD movement? AD turning left and right? "Oh there's a creep that I can one-shot behind the hero and I'm about to die..." AAAA, creep bashes once, AA, creep bashes twice, dead hero.

As long as one can choose to go point-n-click OR go WASD, I see no problem....
just as long as the method of movement isn't forced

Does it really matter these days which is more intensive? (I mod with the source engine (i.e. TF2/HL2)) Source spends more time updating animation frames(multiple integers each entity), game states(lots of stuff), health (float per entity), movement(float and vector per entity), world positions (three floats per entity), ammo (multiple integers per entity), freaking eye vectors(I mean thats just showing off), prediction numbers (for all that previous stuff), and a metric ton of other crap that the commands for keyboard pressed/not pressed, which are smaller than the vectors used for which way your eyes are facing... does NOT effect the network speed AT ALL!!! NADA!!! ZIP!!!

Let alone a click which is simply a world position... how many of those do you think are floating around in a game? EVERY SINGLE UNIT has a world position (And a couple other variables) that need to be updated evrey time they change, spamming clicks or keyboard keys are by no means going to cause adverse network traffic! Let alone the fact that the speed and bandwidth of connections today can handle a lot.

Both use about the same net traffic (actually the click is more expensive cpu wise as pathing needs to be calculated each time) So stuff the whole, 'the engine can't handle it thing' as clicks are harder (and I say this from experience) to implement than freaking arrow keys. (though granted in a rts environment it might be a little more challenging)


And on five other points:


starts with C and ends with lick.

And either way I don't care either way, but devs, just make sure I can rebind the keys!

innociv I thought you were for it why are you trying to make the point WASD is more taxing? (don't argue with people who agree with you >.>)

Also fR1Xi0n your arguments mean more with reasons besides, "You apparently don't have the game experience to know." i.e. insulting people, and besides 'You apparently don't have the game experience to know' that they're really the same network wise.

The cheap version would be delta compression where yes you keep going if you lag, the expensive one would be through updates, because of the way RTS engines work, delta would be best because it's already set up to lag by default, the entire game has to be refreshed anyways, whats a nibble (and yes thats a real term) more?.

*Sigh*

In supreme commander, evrey unit has a world position when that changes (because the units moving.. duh?) the game updates that in a packet, now I haven't worked with supcom and I don't know the details but I'm assuming like most RTS's it updates everything and then moves on to the next update (which would make sense if you think about the way the lag acts with more and more units)

Now lets say a world position is an x and a y (as demigod doesn't do the z and a click is ordering units so its not needed for graphics) lets say that number can range from 1000 to -1000 (i.e. 2^11)
so in a packet(simplifying a little here):

0100101100001001010110 would be a click (or any unit position, actually unit positions would be 50% bigger)
0001 would describe all the arrow keys

But again it doesn't really matter, as most packets are huge compared to that. Most other fields in a packet are huge compared to that actually. And really its much much smaller than that because of compression, delta compression, optimization, bit packing and other schemes.

So I give an order to a unit, what path does it take? When it shoots what random number angle did it shoot at? who does it shoot by default? Granted many things SHOULD come out the same when calculated with same code but they don't always do.

And if it was this way... why have a half second delay? Why if one computer is slow should they all slow down? Why if one computer has a bad internet does everyone slow down?

Now granted I've never written a commercial RTS engine (I have written one though), but I'm pretty sure thats how they do it.

(Now in client-server schemes, the client sends commands, and the server sends a ton of information about everything (the way all your enemies eyes are facing, their position ect. ect.) for those of you who are interested, and this is my major experience with commercial engines)

I still find it incredible that you insist this while simultaneously knowing almost nothing about the game.