I don't love these either. The current ones are more exciting and interesting (even if rook roll is imba). Turning into a wall would be intesely boring for the player, and serve very little tactical benefit because creeps will auto attack him (and consequently be stopped by him) and he'll take less damage if he just kills them.

The units pushing when you have to go back to base to regen is part of the game.

If it is a wall we are tallking about why not give him the ability to raise a wall from the ground in the direction you want and make an intresting gameplay options. I think that could be nice.

I think rook making walls would be dumb.

If anyone had walls it should be TB in the form of ice walls or ice prison.

I understand that and as part of that dynamic this ability would add another component to it...for the rook only.  I am really not trying to change your mind.  You don't  like the idea and think it is dumb..i get that.  Anyway, it is a suggestion...thats part of what beta testing is for.

They probably want to know what other people think of other ideas aswell.

I know I am being bull headed but I am still working on the wall idea...so how about this modification to my original idea.

what of the rook could build a wall (at some higher level...not at the start of the game) made out of his own stone structure.  The wall would be semi permanent (it could be destroyed but would have so many health or hit points that the act of attacking it would take considerable effort) and would eventually break down or disappear (I have no idea how long this should take).  By building the wall, the rook player will lose a level or two and any associated level ups.  This represents the fact that the wall had to be buit from his own stone structure (building a semi permanent change to the map should cost the player something). 

The issue with this idea, i am sure some will point out (besides maybe being stupid ) is that why would a player want to build a wall in the first place?  My first thought was to stop an oncoming rush of creeps.  After several folks explained why that would be folly, I still think there would be merit to it.  The maps are all very static in that nothing can be changed, built or destroyed that changes the path a player can take from point A to point B.  Towers, etc can be built that can protect an area and prevent a player from making forward progress but in the end, once towers are detroyed, the path remains the same and the player can push forward.  My thinking is that if specific routs or path can actually be blocked or rerouted through the use of player built walls, the strategic dynamic of the game would be changed/enhanced. and as I said, this ability should cost the player a lot if they do it so it may not always be a good idea.  

In the end, allowing the player to modify the map in some way is what i am looking for...hell allowing the player to build a bridge across a gap in the map would be fine by me as well.  OK, let me have it.

It would be interesting, but the problem is anything which drastically alters the flow of creeps has the potential to be imbalancing because it would need incredible durability to do so for any length of time. If it had this health, then you could damage your opponents' lines of communication catastrophically. If it weren't that durable, then it would be a glorified speed bump. I'd much prefer an increase in the number of teleportation consumables for additional maneuver techniques. Something that would set up a pair of teleport portals to shorten your lines of communication for a minute or so would be very interesting to me. It would also allow you some control over your creeps, which would be interesting. It'd need to be expensive, though.

get 3 rooks, go into their base and build walls over the entrances

instant win

no it'd just be lame sorry..

Skills need a lot more depth, and need to be really cool.

They need to have variaty. (depth)
They need to work for various purposes. (depth)
They need to synergize with both the Demigods own other skills aswell as allies ones. (depth) (currently the rook is the only one with synergies, and he only synergizes with himself and other rooks.)

We don't need.. make a wall.

IF there was a wall it should be something you use to stop people from running away.. like queen of thorns vine wall, or torchbearer ice wall.

But then you have to give up 1 of TB's ice skills to make a wall.  And if you really want rook to make a wall, what are you going to remove?
Hammer Smash?  It's freaking cool.
Boulder?  Without it Rook will get kited to hell and be useless for everything except destroying buildings and creeps.  He has to have SOME Demigod killing power at least!  So this synergizes with Hammer Smash.
Tower of light?  It synergizes with tele-to-building, the rooks building suck, and the light tower on the rooks shoulder.
Building suck?  It's what gives the rook a lot of his base destroying power.

So you want to break the best designed character in the game to give him something dumb like a wall?

You have to TAKE AWAY his hammer smash and boulder, two skills in the game that work togethe wlel.

Or his tower, which synergizes three different ways, which is more of what this game needs!

OR his building suck, a fundamental skill for the rook.

No it's just a bad idea, sorry.

"So you want to break the best designed character in the game to give him something dumb like a wall?

You have to TAKE AWAY his hammer smash and boulder, two skills in the game that work togethe wlel.

Or his tower, which synergizes three different ways, which is more of what this game needs!

OR his building suck, a fundamental skill for the rook."

I just disagree with you here.  We are in Beta 1 and you already think this character is as good as he can get?  I just don't agree with your points. 

1. dumb wall...well in your opinion

2. hammer smash and boulder are good but if you don't want to use the wall ability...don't.  I am not sure why you state that these other abilites would necesarily go away.

3. I am not sure I understand your use of the term synergize.  I understnd the meaning of the word of course but how is building a wall from the rooks own energy pool not synergistic?

4. Removing essential skills is not the idea. 

Please do not think I am trying to argue...I just disagree in your opinion... as lame as it may be     (sorry..I had to say it)

I don't htink he's as good as it gets but you're suggesting to make him worse.

I don't think you understand you can only have 4 active skills.

Also, it's just a bleh idea.