I agree.  The way that the game is designed now, with very hard-hitting, very durable towers that are permanently damaged and permanently destroyed, the big burst of unstoppable damage from Last Stand is unbalancing.  You basically win after dealing a pre-defined amount of damage to the enemies structures, and what the Last Stand buff is allows you to rack up damage points with no opposition possible.

I agree.  While it's a cool idea, and definitely fun if you're the one playing Oak, I don't think a player should be rewarded for dying.  I found myself playing Oak and thinking "hm, this would be a good time to suicide..."

You want to encourage players to stay alive and kill the opponents.  This skill does just the opposite - encourages players to die and discourages their opponents from killing them.

Last stand is a cool idea, but I think there need to be 2 changes:

1) Oak does no or very low damage to buildings (I managed to do reduce citadel to about 30% hp while being in last stand (with a few seconds alive before) in the late game. Now Imagine a team with 2 or 3 oaks, they will just destroy your citadel without being able to do anything against it.

2) he shouldn't be able to capture flags in this mode.

Change it completely, I say. Make the Oak unable to move, but provide a large temporary amount of units in the area controlled by the AI. In the story of the Oak, he summons a large amount of spirits to do his bidding after being defeated in melee. Do something with that. Maybe 50% slow in a large radius around him. Maybe the dead stationary oak provides significant healing for a while.

I don't think you understand the point here.

The reason why it's overpowered is because towers and the citadel don't regenerate health and once destroyed are permanently gone.  All you need to do is rush to the tower you want to destroy, die, and use those 10 seconds to quickly rack up damage.  I don't think that's at all what was intended.

Well that's not quite correct anymore. The defensive building upgrades in the citadel grant regeneration.

Really quality ideas here.  It doesn't really address the idea that kill Oak basically renders an opposing hero pointless for 10 seconds as he chases them around trying to beat on them - but it's a step in the right direction.

This is a pretty bad idea, in my eyes, because it makes the choice of taking Last Stand a huge drawback since it is not a triggered ability.  It also still fails to address the reward issue.  Sure he's dead twice as long, but does that really matter when he's still suiciding your base repeatedly?  I really think they need to address the actual effect of the ability itself.

True, but it's not nearly enough when a guy is cranking huge damage on it for 10 straight seconds every 20 seconds or so.

We're not talking about him doing this early game.  It's mid to late game... around level 12-15 that this becomes a BIG problem.  Sure he might be giving you gold, but you literally cannot push as fast as he can go suicide into towers.  If there's just one Oak, it isn't really a big deal - if a team of 5 people had 3 Oaks it is an ENORMOUS problem.  3 Oaks could probably suicide bom your Citadel in a minute or less with the shortness of the death timer in this game.

Perhaps simply restricting Oak to a certain area near where he died when he is briefly resurrected in his Frenzy state would be enough to fix this. 

Although I agree he shouldn't do much (or any) damage to buildings.  Maybe he is simply in "Spirit" form so he can only damage living beings for the duration of his "Frenzy"?

Having played mostly the oak it didn't seem so much of the ubber skill as it seemed at the begining. You need to put skill points in an ability you only use when you die (doesn't happen all that often with the oak). Imo you are better off taking other skills (max power of the oak, flag, shield..) that keep you alive and doing damage rather than chain suicide on towers to get them down, especially considering you stop levelling up and its not a sustainable strategy on the long run.

Its true that with last stand in this version you generally take an enemy demigod down with you but it seams more of an ai problem than anything else (if the ai fled rather than try to kill an invincible oak you wouldn't kill anyone...) The main problem with the last stand seems to be the damage you can do to buildings (change the ability so that you can only damage living creatures?) and the ai that doesn't run away from you.

How it works now means he just does damage after death. If you die a lot this is a very powerfull ability, when you don't its useless. Change it instead that he is resurrected(when the players pleases so) and doesn't die after 10 secs, but doesnt get invul or frenzy and prolly also begins with half hp. Obviously add a big CD.

So a rook kill your oak. Your timer begins counting, when the Rook leaves the area you rez yourself at half hp.

I think the best idea was restricting him so he cannot damage buildings while in last stand.  The problem is buildings cannot defend themselves against last stand.  A player can try to run away and hide.  You citadel can't kite and the damage is somewhat permanent (he does a lot of damage in last stand, enough so to kill a tower, or so much that your citadel won't fully recover before his next last stand rush.)  I could see this being a really nasty strategy that has no real counter if the team takes an oak player and plans for it.  Oak specs stats boosts and melee enhancements while neglecting his other skills.  He grabs increased attack speed and increased damage items, saves up for some big +damage items, and come 15 just starts suicide rushing the enemy base.

However, restricting him so he can only damage buildings makes last stand only do temporary damage and more or less discourages a team from killing oak first (and thus letting him play a support role with his shield.)