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[Opinion] (Fog of) War, What is it Good For?

March 16, 2009 3:23:15 AM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

Absolutly nothin'!

In my opinion fog of war adds nothing to this game aside possibly from Regulus setting up a mine field. There might be some strategical aspect to The Rook erecting towers, but being on a timer, doesn't strike me as an agrument for fog of war.

There arn't many RTS'y plans you need to keep hidden in Demigod and recently I feel the fog of war a nusance. It feels as if fog of war was implimented into an RTS system that didn't work and it's been kept for tradtion or some other reason.

Am I overlooking some reason to keep fog of war in the game?

I suggest making fog of war to be default off.

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Reply #1 March 16, 2009 3:36:22 AM
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Uhm.. no not really?  But you can turn it off if you want.

There is a number of times when I've cut someone off by going past them to the side and hooking around.  Without fog of war I couldn't of..

 

Not to mention the sniping that'd happen. 5 regulas gg.

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Reply #2 March 16, 2009 3:52:09 AM
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Oh yeah, snipe. Forgot about that. He also has that tracking skillpoint. So Regulus would have to be overhauled a little. I still say, assuming a Regulus overhaul, make it default off.

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Reply #3 March 16, 2009 4:51:10 AM
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Actually the fact that it can be turned off without damage to gameplay means it's that much less RTS.

More of an action game, really. Beautiful one  though

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Reply #4 March 16, 2009 5:43:28 AM
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Quoting _Mercury_,
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Actually the fact that it can be turned off without damage to gameplay means it's that much less RTS.

More of an action game, really. Beautiful one  though

I agree, it's not just the graphics but the creative design of the playing fields, the elaborate and varried designs of the combatants, the multiple ways you can adapt a character in each different game. Beautiful in concept and visuals. I just don't see much of a point to fog of war. And I'd enjoy pantheon game that much more with it turned off.

[edit] or make the middle ground fog of war free and the opposing side covered in fog of war to make it easier to deal with how Regulus plays.

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Reply #5 March 16, 2009 10:14:16 AM
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It may not seem that important, but I think that's because most units have such a huge LoS that the majority of all maps are totally revealed, often the only part you can't see is the enemy base.  I'd love to see this change somehow, give people more opportunity to take advantage of their opponent's lack of knowledge of what they are doing, but with the way that stages are designed I'm not sure how it could be accomplished. 

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Reply #6 March 16, 2009 10:23:19 AM
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I'm gonna strongly disagree with this one.  Any ambushing that exists right now is a result of limited LoS.  Personally longterm I'd like to see a more dynamic FoW that allows hiding at close range - maybe behind neutral buildings built for the purpose.  

More ambush elements would really raise the ceiling.  Taking away the limited ones we have currently turns the game into checkers.

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Reply #7 March 16, 2009 10:33:29 AM
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Quoting Ke5trel,
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I'm gonna strongly disagree with this one.  Any ambushing that exists right now is a result of limited LoS.  Personally longterm I'd like to see a more dynamic FoW that allows hiding at close range - maybe behind neutral buildings built for the purpose.  

More ambush elements would really raise the ceiling.  Taking away the limited ones we have currently turns the game into checkers.

Definitely.  I think one of the biggest issues is the nature of the maps.  They're all totally flat and for the most part laid out in a similar way.  FoW would probably play a much bigger role if elevation were a factor and maps were bigger.

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Reply #8 March 16, 2009 11:22:04 PM
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More ambush elements would really raise the ceiling.  Taking away the limited ones we have currently turns the game into checkers.

Yep.

In teh begining they said there would be obsticals on the maps that block the line of sight, so you could hide behind them.  But it hasn't been implemented.  I imagine it's quite difficult to do, so they focused on other things.  Still a bit sad, though, as it would of added quite a lot to the gameplay.

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Reply #9 March 16, 2009 11:39:18 PM
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Quoting Ke5trel,
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I'm gonna strongly disagree with this one.  Any ambushing that exists right now is a result of limited LoS.  Personally longterm I'd like to see a more dynamic FoW that allows hiding at close range - maybe behind neutral buildings built for the purpose.  

More ambush elements would really raise the ceiling.  Taking away the limited ones we have currently turns the game into checkers.

Agreed.  OP I think you are downplaying just how much of an impact FoW actually has in this game.  It does not, to me, feel like it was tacked on as standard RTS fare.  It actually is integral to how the game plays.

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Reply #10 March 17, 2009 3:52:28 PM
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In teh begining they said there would be obsticals on the maps that block the line of sight, so you could hide behind them.

Did they?  Do you know where?

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Reply #11 March 17, 2009 3:57:30 PM
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On these forums or gpg ones.  I think scathis said.

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