Sandman, the Unclean Beast's power to hit towers with his Vemon is really one of the best ways he can work. It's like me asking for the Rook to have his building sucking ability taken away. There is no over powered nature to this beast, in fact he's very inneffective against a very good team of Demigods who know their classes. I was in that game Sandman, and I know very well you were not using Rook to the degree in which could have really make the game a lot more complicated for me. What really hinders the Unclean Beast is Mines and Towers. You had a Regulus on your team, you could have both made a nasty gauntlet and always hid within it.

Considering the fact that the rook cant use the building drain on demigods, I would say that arguement is pretty weak. I was dropping towers every chance i got, it has a CD and the rook has very little mana. My team mate was garbage. I dont that that the unclean beast is so overpowered but 2 of them in the same game against a slow moving rook and a garbage Regulus. Personally I like the custom matches because there is no restriction on demigods based on faction and most of the time players are willing to pick a variety of demigods so there are not too many of the same on one team. I think i just wish that the pantheon prevented more than one of the same demigod on the same team but that is expecting alot.

The Beasts 'STUN' ability is a channeling ability, if they do anything withing the 4second drain, it will cancel.

No nerfing the Demigods for at least 3 months please... I'm still trying to find a build that I like for the beast and really don't want it negated by people who hate losing getting their way.

Besides I could make similar complaints against teams of Regulus/Rook   one hammer followed by that straight shot move and my poor beast is caputzski

The DoT was already nerfed and wasn't bad in the first place except early game.

And hwat are you talking about?  UB has 3 demigods that do well against it in pantheon.

Regulas has mines and snares which hurts UB a lot.

Sedna has debuff removal (removes his dot)

Oak has debuff removal AND immunity(so it won't get effected by the speed and attack nerf)

This is what I meant with my expert comment. :/  This game is VERY VERY VERY well balanced for being so new.  It's more balanced than games that've been patched for months.

While some skills themselves are too weak still, or could use better progress, demigod by demigod it's veryb balance.

Missed the point

UB isn't over powered.  If anyone is overpowered it's oak, sedna, and erebus oddly enough, since I easily beat UB with them, and the two former ones destroy buildings well.  But it's hard to tell as I haven't played against good ones since retail, just ai and noobs.

I THINK REGULUS NEEDS A NERF CAUSE HE CAN BE AT HIS BASE AND SNIPE ME FOR BIG DAMAGE AND I CANT TOUCH HIM! HE CAN ALSO OUT RANGE OUR TOWERS WHICH IS MAJORLY OP!!! NERF NERF NERF!!!

I haven't played enough GOOD games to get an overall feel, but I think more time and testing is needed for each.

Oh spit actually can attack towers.  This needs to be "fixed".  You should get "invalid target" trying to use it on buildings just like bite.

One thing I've felt somewhat waffly about is whether or not spit should stack, IE a tag-team of UBs spit you and both dots start running you down.

The counter I'd expect is "well you could say that about 2 TB fireballs or 2 Regulus snipes" but both these abilities have really long cast times.  You can concievably stun at least one of them before they got them off, also I know fireball does less overall damage than spit does.

Currently spits do stack, and the feeling I get is that they shouldn't, and we should also look into other buffs and debuffs to see what becomes unfair when they stack.  As the game gets more stable, and 5v5 matches become more common, this cound become a serious issue.  Nothing should be done tomorrow of course, but I think an eye needs to be kept on this.

spit doesn't stack, not in the sense that one Beast can spit on you twice and have double DoT damage from just his own spit. 

two different Beasts can both spit on you though. i don't see why this is unexpected at all though, it would be an abnormal handicap if Beast had an ability that for some reason interfered with the abilities of his team mates. 

i think wat sandman is trying to get at is that UB has too many abilities that make him good against everything (i'm not saying other things can't still beat the living tar out of him or that he is OP)  so for example, like he said:  rook has an awesome healing ability where he can immobilize and drain health from towers as well as QoT's ability to Uproot towers, however they can only be used on buildings.  if it could be used on Demigods as well everyone would scream OP.  with UB on the other hand his tower assaulting ability can attack both Demigod and Tower so i'm pretty sure thats the argument.

what might make more sense is rather than it equal damage to Demigod and building simply making it a buff again towers and poison damge against Demigods... that way the UB still needs to stick around an physicaly attack the tower but doing like X2 or X3 more damage?

however before all of what i've said... Nerfing the charcters 6 days after release seems time consuming and pointless.

innociv, 

there are many many many examples of DoT abilities from different players stacking on a single target. i'm sure i could make a veritable laundry list of examples but i'll stick with just one important example. the default behavior for DoTs in World of Warcraft PvP is that each player gets to apply their own DoTs, up to a certain number of total debuffs that can ever be active on an entity at a single time. 3 Warlocks can each have their own Corruption (a powerful DoT spell) running on the same target. 

now i'm not trying to say that just because one game did it that way it means its the right design for every game. just trying to show that the precedent is there. 

at the moment however i do think its the right design for Demigod for 2 different Beasts to both be able to use their venoms on the same thing. its just a damage spell, its not fundamentally any different than Fireball or Snipe or Hammer Slam. 

i'm not opposed to adjustments in principle if any particular ability can be PROVEN to be overpowered. it may yet turn out to be the case that Venom Spit should cost more mana or do less damage or have some other adjustment made. i really think its too early to determine this though.

eh, depends on the build. a late game QoT can max out Uproot and Compost and end up with a spell that does 300 damage a tick to buildings for 10 seconds. thats twice as much damage as Venom Spit and it has a casting range thats more than twice as long, it can outrange towers.