bramble shield is not an acceptable alternative to the passive ability, both are required, mulch should be dropped. the passive ability gives +14 damage and +360 health per shambler, when maxed. bramble shield gives any ally a damage shield.

Here is the hard info from the LUA files. The total dps with compost is 54.88, per shambler. 52 for minios, 62 for siege and priests. Add it all up and you get 571 dps for all 10 minions total, before items are taken into consideration.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pmbS09ByNPGE-hT1mq5_XBQ

Know how long it takes those 10 minions to take out an unclean beast? like 6 seconds. extend that to 8 seconds if they got health items. then add your damage in and reduce it back to 6 seconds probably.

The only other thing i'd say about QoT. I think i'm going to have to start dropping 1 point, at least, into the aoe spike thing. Reasoning: it reduces armor (damage can be removed, doesn't matter). All your minions will benefit from armor reduction. UB has high armor, remove most of it and he's taking upwards of 20% more damage.

Both run  closed queen

bramble shield owns. its the queens best spell in my opinion. 

shamblers are pretty good too. don't forget that their attacks are line of effect ranged, so they'll hit everything in their path. that makes them extremely efficient at taking out creep waves. 

Nivina, you definitely added up the DPS incorrectly though for purposes of attacking DGs. the raw numbers might be right but you're ignoring armor (which can be quite alot, easy to get 50% damage reduction with the right items) and you're taking for granted that every attack hits, which won't be the case if the DG is moving around. 

First of all, I know the DPS is prior to armor. And I understand some people actually spend money on +armor items. But it requires someone to purchase nothing BUT armor items to get anywhere near 50% mitigation, and if you do the math, +health items are far more beneficial through most of the game, in addition if you aren't putting points into your citadel and taking advantage of your war score, you are never going to win. On average I'm assuming 30% mitigation. And when taken into account, yes you are doing a now lowered 400 something DPS with your minions. Still waaaay powerful and that doesn't change the fact that they all have 2.4k health. Which leads me to my second point...

TB is worthless. TB would have to waste his entire mana reserves to kill 10 minions, each with 2.4k health. Not only that, but he would probably only take out a few of them. They seem to spread out on their own. But just for the sake of argument, lets say he spends his mana and kills all your minions. You can re-summon them back instantly. TB is now dead or fleeing with nothing to show but a timeout in the corner while the QoT soaks up even more exp and gold to give her an even larger advantage. Now she can go buy that +damage and health minion item she's always wanted, and has asked santa for time and time again. So the next time you face her, you are even worse off.

The armor is also why I mentioned putting a point into the spike AOE. It would increase the QoT damage as well as all her minions (and anyone else attacking the target) by 10-30%