Thrandiul

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How do I beat an end-game regulus?

I'm having tons of trouble beating a friend who goes for an endgame build of regulus. (3 vs 3 on Cataract) It always happens like this:

We basically dominate the entire game, are always 3 or 4 warscores above the reg players, and yet they drive us away from their main base playing smartly. Both times we've completely cleared the way to their citadel. However, I usually have enough cash at warscore 10 to get giants and push them into their own base, which makes it seem like we will win. Then the reg player is able to afford ashkandor and the game is over once he starts popping 2k crits every few seconds and they make a comeback.

So I'm trying to figure out how to beat this, and the only way it seems is if I ignore giants and get Askandor first, (as unclean beast) but is there any way you can survive without ashkandor once reg starts popping those insane 2k crits?

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Although i probably shouldnt say this,

Continually flag lock the artifact shop before they get a chance to buy ashkandor.

- enjoys late game regulus playing.

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As a Reg player who has recently joined the darkness side, I can give you some tips.

1) Way too many people buy priests too early. Regulus will power lvl with mines

2) Match is lasting too long. Always attack towers when you can and push their defenses back

3) As a UB, focus on HP items with HP regen. Focus on skills that increase attack speed and slowing your enemy.

4) With OOZE, the attack speed of the regulus will slow by 60%. You can't stop the crits but he will shoot less. Ooze, spit, stun and increased attack speed will usually shred a Reg

5) Wait for Ash to be nerfed.

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Hi,

You didn't say which classes you were playing? I think the best way to beat endgame builds is simple: don't let them get to end game. Patronizing aside, I played a game where I was QoT with a Regulus player and a noob that left for the AI to take over. The Regulus was spanking down hard on the enemy DG's but we always found ourselves running between captured portal flags. At some point, they just captured both our portals. It was game over.

The beauty of the Conquest type game is that no one says you have to engage in DG vs DG combat. Capture flags, farm grunts, upgrade Citadel, etc. Being a mostly QoT player myself, I don't usually have many kills under my belt, this does not mean that I don't pull in most favor. I usually find myself running away from 1v1 confrontations at end game because I will get spanked. This is not the QoT's forte. What do I do instead? Well, it's a frickin' conquest isnt it! I shield teammates, debuff armor with AoE spikes, take down towers and so forth.

What I would do if I was war rank 10 and they were say.. war rank 6 is deprive them of flags! They will never reach a higher rank and they will be too busy doing the following:

- trying to kill enemy DG's

- trying to capture flags (wastes their precious time)

- trying to recapture their own portals (this is the main thing you should be focusing on)

- defending their base against onslaughts of grunts (upgrade them at citadel, ftw)

Get this concept out of your mind: In a Conquest type game, if you can't kill enemy Demigods this doesnt mean YOU ARE LOSING. Hope I have made you think differently

PS: I really enjoyed your UB ooze build. Keep em coming!

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Regulus is insane late game, easily the most powerful DG overall if it goes on that long. In fact, I've never once seen a Regulus lose once he has Ashkandor (mind you, I've only seen it happen four times, so we're not talking about an everyday thing here). Your best bet is to prevent that from ever happening. Win early, flag lock the artifact shop, and if he does get Ash try to ambush him and hit him with lots of stuns. Chances are if he saved for ashkandor his best armour item will be Nimoth's or Hauberk of Life. Neither will do much good if he's stunned and can't life leech.

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Killing lategame reg does not equal winning the game. Superior map control wins every time. Also like other people said, if you push to the opposing citadel and don't finish it off quick, your basicly feeding them.

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I play unclean beast as an ooze build, which is about as anti regulus as you can be. And I also focus a lot on hp regain and hp, I usually have around 8k end game. We didn't buy priests early, we bought it all in one go because we usually have a ton of money from killing the regs, the other one played as an oak I believe. The problem was if they defend long enough the reg player can sell every item he has and get ashkandor without any negative affects because a demigod will die before they get close to him.

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dont push through the middle. I hate when I see my team mates do that. On cataract always push down the side lanes.

If you are I dont know how on earth Regulus is holding off 4 portals of giants coming from 3 different directions.

Maybe mark of betrayer AoEs is killing your own monsters. I would suggest all loading up on the same side so this doesnt happen. Regulus is a glass cannon. Use some stuns and gank him. If you are high levels too you should drop him fairly fast.

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Why do people keep saying stuff I'm not doing?

We don't make dumb mistakes like push through the middle, but once a reg player gets ashkandor he really does kill demigods in 3 to 5 seconds. He'll basically be able to kill all demigods he comes acoss, which makes capping portals just a way to feed him.

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End the game as soon as possible. Harass him early-game so he can't get experience. Make sure he doesn't get any kills(the only way to afford ashkandor without the game lasting forever). Make sure that you can finish the job when you buy giants, so you don't feed. Cap their portal flags at the sides to speed this up and lock them.

I hope this helps, because this is the best advice I can give.

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My tip: don't let it happen. Get the citadell down, or kill enough DG, so you buy tons of pots and stay right there and put the hurt on them.

Btw, I love when the enemy gets giants, if I have Ashk. I'll level to Level 20 in a matter of minutes. It's really hilarious. A good UB can kick your A$$, even with Ashk. They Ooze/Stun, and with "Unrelenting Wrath" you cant slow him. Mines and MtB just won't cut it vs a UB with 8k life. Reg will die.

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Get Ashkandor yourself.

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Don't fight him heads up.

You see him and know he has Ashkandor just run. You can take him easily 2v1 so fight when the battle is better for you. Regulus also doesnt have a stun or a way to stop you from teleporting so if you half health and know maim won't let you run away just teleport back to base. If you already have giants and are pushing his base just constantly attack their portals and lock them. Regulus is good vs early creeps but he just cant take out a whole horde unless he gets a good MoB and Mine attack. If his team is working together then it can be very hard to cap the portals but it that point you almost deserve to lose.

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I just dont understand how you are letting the game get to the point where he is getting an Ash consistently. You should have ended it by then if you were outplaying him at all. I dont see any possible way that you can "dominate" a game AND the other team can consistently get an Ash. That seems like a contradiction of terms to me.

Usually the comeback for Regs (especially auto attack builds) is at Mageslayer. Really a Reg should be turning the tide well before an Ash because Mageslayer costs less than half as much as an Ash.

If he is getting an Ash consistently, that means that somebody is dying WAY too much. So die less would be my advice I guess. As long as you arent taking too many deaths, it should take an ungodly amount of time for anybody to get Ash. Oh, and dont buy Priests too soon. I guess that could let him get an Ash fairly quickly, but I rarely see people making that mistake any more.

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Even with ash a late game reg won't do well against an equally played late game sedna or oak imo. Priests plus other skills unless they get multiple crits in a row which is rare in my experience with ash they won't kill you before you them. The only combos I have seen that are devastating are all with a qot debuffing armor for reg or ub. Anyways a reg saving for 18k ash seems like a horrible player since they aren't helping the team with cit upgrades or minor upgrades to push the fight. Evenly matched teams it's even rare to hit level 20 on a map and I don't see saving 18k and buying ash being a key to victory. Players that do this again seem too selfish and aren't helping their team which means anyone decent on the other should have it in the bag already.

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Ash won't get nerfed. Not stats wise anyway, they might make it cost more, but that'd be about it.

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Interesting topic... I must look up what Ashkandor is.

I thought I was allmighty with a Mageslayer playing as Regulus.

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Quoting eobet,

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Interesting topic... I must look up what Ashkandor is.

I thought I was allmighty with a Mageslayer playing as Regulus.

Ashkandor is basically a stronger, more expensive version of mageslayer with added effects.

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u can't say just a stronger and effective. the 4-times-crit mutipler is really cruel!

one time i played offline with rich starting gold and so on. result was mageslayer + all father's ring + ashkandor

> i lol'd (up to 3,5k crits. 0.5 secounds attack speed, explosion ammo)

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I used to think this, most people don't use armour. If Reg is going for Ashkandor as most Regs will, then stack up your armour. You can get that damage down to about 200 instead of 400 and take 800 crits instead of up to 1600+.

The plus side to this is that you then have a lot of HP as well.

Also if Reg is on a losing side and you have let him save up 18K, then they weren't really losing. You should have easily that amount of money and should be ready for it.

I have been owned a couple of times by Regs doing this, but you know they are going to do it. So prepare for it, Ashkandor is not overpowered, it is just that people take bad equivalent item upgrades. I also play a lot of UB now with Ooze and a fully armoured UB with Ooze is unlikely to go down to Reg with Ashkandor.

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The answer to this question is the same for all demigods.

Items with Evade. Cloak of Elvenkind and Desperate boots come to mind...

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Yeah, I definitely don't think the other team should be able to get Ashkindor if you have been dominating. In that case, you should be the one with Ashkindor, right? Or if you spent your 18k on giants, then surely someone else on your team has the money for it before they do.

Though truthfully, I never save up for Ashkindor, because I feel like the game should have ended long before that. I can't remember the last game I played where anyone got Ashkindor. If you're dominating, try making that push for the enemy base earlier: get catapultasaurii quickly and go for their portal flags. Take out the towers in front of their base so your creep waves can get in. Don't wait until you have some super-high amount of money to go on the offensive. If someone on the enemy team is saving up to get 18k, your team is going to have a huge advantage until that happens. Use that time wisely.

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