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Oak how to beat down deadward

May 22, 2009 5:47:49 PM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

I was playing Reg vs. Oak and whatever i do in start of the game he can pop dead ward harrasing me without him having to touch me.. he ofc spends time at pilon whenever i can get a couple of hits + snipe but then his spirits are just harassing me making me spend as much time in my base as he is. so cant get him out of lanes properly because of spirits chasing all the way. the more spirits he gets the more pushed back i get (early on) by the time i upgrade minions or get high rank angelic fury it doesnt matter anymore since he has like 6 to 8 spirits non stop keeping me pushed back. what should i work on to beat down spirits. it seems almost impossible.

i tried poisonous dagger or furious blade to get him down. (i got him down 2 times in 1 game but it didnt matter) boots of speed and mana helms is what i get after that.

 

advise pls.

thx

YDi

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Reply #1 May 22, 2009 9:41:25 PM
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Angelic Fury and/or mark of Betrayer are solid area of effect abilities that can do very well against a General.  Another item you may consider is the Parasite Egg.  A good DPS item, that also lets you focus on Oak while also killing his minions (Very important vs oak, because his minions give him strength).

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Reply #2 May 23, 2009 3:44:34 AM
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Regulus is going to have a tough time vs Oak spirits.  Your best bet is to hit him first, and get him to start retreating. The spirits can't hit you while you are moving. I also mines can clear out spirits quick, but you need ground units to set them off. Although if he has dead wards around you may just spawn a new set of spirits

 

Parasite Egg is a definite counter but it's a lot to invest just for countering 1 person.

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Reply #3 May 23, 2009 3:54:47 AM
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Keep on truckin'. Spirits seem incapable of hitting a moving target. As regulus, all I can really reccommend for -killing- spirits would be the egg, as others have mentioned. But as other characters, almost any AoE will suffice.

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Reply #4 May 23, 2009 5:01:03 AM
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Be aware that a good Oak player knows that Spirits fail at hitting a moving target, and will utilize Spirits' superior speed and micro them past the running enemy, then to attack, then past, etc. in order to get extra hits in.

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Reply #5 May 23, 2009 7:43:57 AM
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AOE is good but people forgetting that if there are creeps nearby new spirits will come fast and than you just wasted mana.

So yeah Parasit egg is the perfect counter to a build like that. (Imo it should be nerfed cause it ruins minions builds badly)

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Reply #6 May 23, 2009 9:42:56 AM
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If the "only" thing you are worrying about are spirits, then buy some armors.

Though I can say you got alot more to worry about up against oak alone.

While regulus can use egg against oak (which cost some $$$), oak only need totem of revelation (50 gold) to stop mines.

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Reply #7 May 23, 2009 10:34:03 AM
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Quoting Fhoeng,
reply 6
If the "only" thing you are worrying about are spirits, then buy some armors.

Though I can say you got alot more to worry about up against oak alone.

While regulus can use egg against oak (which cost some $$$), oak only need totem of revelation (50 gold) to stop mines.

 

I haven't tried using the ToR yet. Quick question: Does it work while you're carrying it, or do you have to use it by placing it somewhere?

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Reply #8 May 23, 2009 10:48:37 AM
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Quoting Master Shake,
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Quoting Fhoeng, reply 6If the "only" thing you are worrying about are spirits, then buy some armors.

Though I can say you got alot more to worry about up against oak alone.

While regulus can use egg against oak (which cost some $$$), oak only need totem of revelation (50 gold) to stop mines.

 

I haven't tried using the ToR yet. Quick question: Does it work while you're carrying it, or do you have to use it by placing it somewhere?

Pretty sure you have to put it down, but the +5 LoS from carrying is very nice. I almost always carry one just for the LoS.

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Reply #9 May 23, 2009 11:08:55 AM
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Regulus is one of the "soft counters" to Oak. He isn't able to take him down easily without either back up, or very, very intelligent playing. If you're worried about Spirits, stay near your towers, get the range upgrades, and take them out.

Towers eat spirits, and for some reason the spirits LOVE to go near towers.

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Reply #10 May 23, 2009 11:15:27 AM
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Quoting ProximityFixed,
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or very, very intelligent playing.

You mean, a very stupid oak?

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Reply #11 May 23, 2009 5:53:41 PM
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Quoting ProximityFixed,
reply 9
Regulus is one of the "soft counters" to Oak. He isn't able to take him down easily without either back up, or very, very intelligent playing. If you're worried about Spirits, stay near your towers, get the range upgrades, and take them out.

Towers eat spirits, and for some reason the spirits LOVE to go near towers.

 

So basically you're saying that if this game would have any 1v1 potential they should balance out all demigods? I understand that a good regulus player kills a "decent" oak player. But if i go 1v1 ladders. and we join up and I see im vs Oak I change my demigod to counter oak a bit more. and then he changes his demigod to counter my counter etc. etc.?

And dont say its supposed to be a team game only. bleh

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Reply #12 May 23, 2009 8:43:34 PM
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Quoting YDi,
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And dont say its supposed to be a team game only.

It's supposed to be a team game only.

I am being completely serious.

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Reply #13 May 23, 2009 9:49:15 PM
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Quoting muusbolla,
reply 12

Quoting YDi, reply 11
And dont say its supposed to be a team game only.
It's supposed to be a team game only.

I am being completely serious.

 

I disagree... in that the very small single player portion of it (and the backstory/motivation for the gods to be fighting) Indicates you are personally fighting to become a real god. YOU, not your team. Offcourse you do match off in team VS team which doesnt really make sence to me in that much...

 

I personally never found it being a "team game" a good excuse for poor ballance.

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Reply #14 May 24, 2009 1:07:55 AM
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It is ballanced for team play. A game can ballance itself towards one on one fights, or it can ballance itself for team play. For example, in most FPS games a sniper is going to beat you silly unless you are another sniper. However, if you are on a team, a tank can counter a sniper quite handily, leading to AT infantry countering tanks whilst being countered by snipers. Demigod is the same way. Reg is very easy to kill due to his low armor and HP. Give him an ally with a fair bit of HP or skills to make him last longer, and suddenly it all goes great for Reg.

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Reply #15 May 24, 2009 3:04:23 AM
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Quoting Guardian316,
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It is ballanced for team play. A game can ballance itself towards one on one fights, or it can ballance itself for team play. For example, in most FPS games a sniper is going to beat you silly unless you are another sniper. However, if you are on a team, a tank can counter a sniper quite handily, leading to AT infantry countering tanks whilst being countered by snipers. Demigod is the same way. Reg is very easy to kill due to his low armor and HP. Give him an ally with a fair bit of HP or skills to make him last longer, and suddenly it all goes great for Reg.

Agreed. Anyone who believes that a character cannot be balanced in team play while being imbalanced 1v1 has clearly never played a good RTS.

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Reply #16 May 24, 2009 5:25:22 AM
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Thing is, if its generally overpowered in 1V1, making more of that would get you a "team" of overpowered 1V1 units/gods

 

While a team of different heros with complimenting abilitys isnt something to ignore, if a character is truelly overpowered it wouldnt really matter.

 

But thats the whole point i suppose. They all got their own weak spots i asume (i hope so )

 

And i still feel that, team game or no, you should never have already lost because you encountered enemy X.

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Reply #17 May 24, 2009 7:17:09 AM
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It's almost impossible to design a game where a certain unit does not counter another unit. Even in Chess, the humble Knight is key in defeating the almighty Queen. And a team full of oaks would be more likely to get wrecked before level 5 than anything else. Earlygames vs oak = 0 XP.

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Reply #18 May 24, 2009 5:25:27 PM
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Quoting X-Raider,
reply 5
AOE is good but people forgetting that if there are creeps nearby new spirits will come fast and than you just wasted mana.

So yeah Parasit egg is the perfect counter to a build like that. (Imo it should be nerfed cause it ruins minions builds badly)

 

Please I can't play when my counter is used and using something other than what someone told me works is all I know?

 

He's paid 4000+ gold to get you 30 seconds or so of no minions..

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