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Demigod Idea- Luciel

Stealth based female demigod

Luciel (lou-seal)- New Stealth Demigod

Disclaimer: I know people each really want or really hate stealth based idea but give this a shot as I hope to find a great balance with this. Also I suck at story telling so if you hate the backstory I am sorry.

Appearance

Luciel is a average hieght woman at around 5'6''. Has long dark hair with purple streaks but wears her hai rolled up in the back. Wears a light version of warrior armor under a dark cloak ( can see parts of the armor on the arms and upper legs). Uses a dagger in one hand but has another weapon she uses for certain skills.

BackStory- Luciel was a common place thief from her early teens to her late twenties. She robbed anyone she could to get by as her parent were killed by a dark spirit when she was four when they tried to steal from his tomb. She was adopted at the age of five. Her adopted parents, while they cared for her and gave her a roof over her head, never cared for her and did this only because they knew her familes history as thieves and wanted to steer her away from that life. Unfortunately Luciel found out about her parents past (not how they died) when she was ten. She then secretely trained herself in the art of thievery.

Luciels' adopted parents found out about this the day of her 13th birthday. Luciel wanted to celebrate by robbing a wealthy man that lived in their town. She was caught and they forced her adopted parents to abandon her and leave her to live on the streets. This is when Luciel became a master theif as she had to rely on it to live. When she turned 26 she ran into her old adopted parents again and she asked if they knew how her parents died. They told her the truth and for nearly three years she searched for the tomb of the Dark Spirit that killed them to try and rob it to accomplish her parents goal.

When she finally found the the tomb she found a gauntlet near the entrance that allowed her to hide from her foes for a few seconds but she hadn't had the experience to use it consecutively and thus had to wait atleast two minutes when she first got it. She used this and snuck into the tomb and quickly hurried and looked for anything of value. After just four seconds she became unclocked and she heard a scream and a spirit appeared in front of her. The spirit shreaked and swong a massive claw at her but the gauntlet she found became shrouded in a dark-purplish haze. The spirit screamed once more but started to become absorbed into the gauntlet. Luciel stood there stunned and just tried to hold the guantlet still as the power became to great for her to control. With a last chance attempt at escaping the Spirit vaporized and let itself become consumed.

Luciel thought she had won and looked around the tomb for more artifacts. There she found a Dagger that became clouded in the same dark-purplish haze everytime she held it in the same hand as the gauntlet. Luciel then fell to the ground in pain as she felt the dark spirits power inside of her. The spirit then talked to her telepathically. The spirits name was Mezirous. She is a spirit that can teleport freely to a shadow realm. They became one. Luciel harnessed her new powers and by the age of 37 became one of the strongest, fastest and deadliest thieves to ever live. She had the power to rival the strength of any living or non living being she ever fought and single handedly killed enemies that ravaged and destoryed cities. She wanted to be a god and knew the only way that could happen was to fight other gods. She entered this tournament to achieve that goal.

Demigod Information

General of Assassin? This is a assassin charater.

Size- Small like Regulus (maybe a abit smaller but not but much if at all).

Stats: Base (per level gain)

Health-

Base 1435 (115)

Regen 2.8 (.22)

Mana

Base 1105 (85)

Regen 2.35 (.27)

Armor

Base 315 (29)

Attack

Base 155 (7.2)

Rate 0.68 (.0162)

Ranger Melee

Movement

Speed 6.1 (gains .035 per level)

Skills

Skill tree looks like this (level req.)

A1(1) -> A2(4) -> A3(8) -> A4(12) -> A5(15)

D1(3) -> D2(7) -> D3(11) -> D4(13)

B1(1) -> B2(4) -> B3(8) -> B4(12) -> B5(15)

E1(4) -> E2(7) -> E3(12)

C1(1) -> C2(4) -> C3(8) -> C4(12) -> C5(15)

F1(1) -> F2(4) -> F3(7) -> F4(11) -> F5(15)

Skill A - Cloak - Luciels Mastery of the gauntlet allows her to cloak at will for a short period of time. (only revealed by a totem of revelation if it is placed on the ground. Luciel has to stand within its range for 3 seconds before it uncloaks her.)

General Information about Stealth

A demigod cannot directly target Luciel while being/ after cloaking.
A demigod can use a AoE that does not require a target and cause damage to Luciel.
A stun from a AoE will cancel out Luciel's Cloak (TB's freeze will freeze her)
No item is usable while Cloaked.
Only actions that can be taken is movement, Shadow Step and Dark Pressure.

Level 1- MP Req. 400 / Cast Time 2 sec. / Cool down - 15 sec.--- Luciel stays cloaked for 5 seconds. Unable to be attacked but unable to attack with basic attacks. Move speed - 25%.

Level 2- MP Req. 525 / Cast Time 2 sec / Cool down - 12 sec. --- Luciel stays cloaked for 6 seconds. Unabled to be attacked but unable to attack with basic attacks. Move speed - 20%.

Level 3 - MP Req. 750 / Cast Time 2 sec / Cool down - 10 sec --- Luciel stays cloaked for 8 seconds. Unabled to be attacked but unable to attack with basic attacks. Move speed - 10%.

Level 4 - MP Req. 850 / Cast Time 1 sec / Cool down - 8 sec --- Luciel stays cloaked for 8 seconds. Unabled to be attacked but unabled to attack with basic attacks. Move speed - 0 %.

Level 5 - Shadow Mastery - When cloaked all abilites that require cloaking deal an extra 10% damage. Luciel gains 15% move speed cloaked. When she becomes uncloaked all enemy units around her take 100 damage.

Skill B - Shadow Step - Luciel dashes to her opponent while cloaked and deals damage to targets on the way. Knocks back small units. Causes Luciel to become unlcloaked.

Level 1 - MP Req. 300 / Cast Time instant / Cool down 10 sec --- Luciel dashes forward 15 yards. Deals 75 damage to targets on the way. Deals 250 to the main target.

Level 2 - MP Req. 450 / Cast Time instant / Cool down 10 sec --- Luciel dashes forward 15 yards. Deals 115 damage to targets on the way. Deals 400 to the main target.

Level 3 - MP Req. 650 / Cast Time instant / Cool down 10 sec --- Luciel dashes forward 15 yards. Deals 145 damage to targets on the way. Deals 650 to the main target. Stops abilities upon landing (will not stun movement).

Level 4 - MP Req. 800 / Cast Time instant / Cool down 10 sec --- Luciel dahes forward 15 yards. Deals 175 damage to targets on the way. Deals 800 to the main target. Stops abilities upon landing (will not stun movement).

Level 5 - Shadow Grasp - When Luciel reaches the target they are held by hands from the shadow realm to that spot for 2.5 seconds.

Skill C - Flying Daggers (passive) - Luciel can damage the target while closing the gap. She throws daggers that do low damage.

Level 1 - Luciel will throw a dagger at 6 yards for 15% of max damage.

Level 2 - Luciel will throw a dagger at 7 yards for 20% of max damage.

Level 3 - Luciel will throw a dagger at 8 yards for 25% of max damage.

Level 4 - Luciel will throw a dagger at 10 yards for 30% of max damage.

Level 5 - Luciel will throw a dagger at 10 yards for 30% of max damage but causes a explosion after .5 seconds doing 250 damage to nearby targets (that also hits the same target if not moving)

Skill D - Shriek - Luciel uses the power of Mezirous and unleashes a powerful shriek. Weaknes targets.

Level 1 - MP Req. 250 / Cast time .5 seconds / Cool down 7 seconds --- Mezirous shrieks and all enemy units in a 20 yard diameter recieve -5% damage, -5% attack speed for 5 seconds.

Level 2- MP Req. 350 / Cast time .5 seconds / Cool down 7 seconds --- Mezirous shrieks and all enemy units in a 20 yard diamater recieve -10% damage, -10% attack speed, -10% armor for 5 seconds.

Level 3 - MP Req. 500 / Cast time .5 sec / Cool down 7 sec. --- Mezirous shrieks and all enemy units in a 20 yard diamater recieve -15% damage, -15% attack speed, - 15% armor for 5 seconds.

Level 4 - MP Req. 700 / Cast time .5 sec / COol down 7 sec. --- Mezirous shrieks and all enemy units in a 20 yard diamater recieve -20% damage, -20% attack speed, -20% armor for 5 seconds.

Skill E - Dark Pressure - While cloaked Luciel uses the dagger to weaken the target everytime they are stabbed. Does not uncloak Luciel and the effects stack. (will not add on time for when cloak wears off, always just 2 seconds).

Level 1 - MP Req. 250 / Cast time instant / Cool down 3 sec --- Luciel stabs the target for 350 damage. They target recieves a - 10% move speed until Luciel becomes uncloaked and then for 2 more seconds.

Level 2 - MP Req. 400 / Cast time instant / Cool down 3 sec --- Luciel stabs the target for 500 damage. The target recieves a -10% move speed until Luciel becomes uncloaked and then for 2 more seconds.

Level 3- MP Req. 700 / Cast time instant / Cool down 3 sec --- Luciel stabs the target for 650 damage. Thet target recieves a -10% move speed until Luciel becomes uncloaked and then for 2 more seconds.

Skill F - Shadow Souls (passive) - Mezirous allows Luciel to control her powers to give her the ability to take souls from the shadow realm and use them to strengthen herself.

Level 1 - Everytime Luciel attacks she has a 5% chance of taking a soul fromt he shadow realm. 25% chance when she cloaks. For each soul she has her daggers deal 10 more damage. Max of 3 souls.

Level 2 - Everytime Luciel attacks she has a 8% chance of taking a soul fromt he shadow realm. 35% chance when she cloaks. For each soul she has her daggers deal 10 more damage. Max of 5 souls.

Level 3 - Everytime Luciel attacks she has a 12% chance of taking a soul fromt he shadow realm. 45% chance when she cloaks. For each soul she has her daggers deal 12 more damage. Max of 8 souls,

Level 4 - Everytime Luciel attacks she has a 15% chance of taking a soul fromt he shadow realm. 65% chance when she cloaks. For each soul she has her daggers deal 15 more damage. Max of 10 souls.

Everytime Luciel attacks she has a 15% chance of taking a soul fromt he shadow realm. 100% chance when she cloaks and takes two souls. For each soul she has her daggers deal 15 more damage. Max of 12 souls.

Well this is my idea for a stealth based demigod. Please post some constructive criticism. Thank you.

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(not revealed by totem of revelation)

i kind of skimmed through your post, but this is a big no-no for a stealthed hero.

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Well I just think being able to completely null and void a demigods main ability with a 50g item is just ridiculous. What if we change it to something like

If Luciel stands within a placed totem of revelation for 3 seconds he is revealed.

By placed I mean not in the inventory for clarification.

or something like that because otherwise any type of invis abiltiy will never happen.

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Well I just think being able to completely null and void a demigods main ability with a 50g item is just ridiculous.

i agree 100% with your comment, i would love an stealth hero in this game, but unfortunately the majority of people in this community cannot take the idea of having a hero with an invisible ability, because OMG it ruins the games fun.

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Well everytime I see a argument about having a stealth based demigod they say the reason they don't want it is because "they can just stay invis as long as they want and wait for a easy kill". I think a quick lasting invis is the solution, especially when it isn't used just for escaping.

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Well you haven't really presented a reason why you think invisibility would make improve the game.

I would wager most people who are vehemently against stealth have been frustrated by WoW's implementation of rogues, and I agree with them 100%. The problem is that in WoW there's an extremely limited amount of counters to stealth, the game is simply balanced to give them the opener 90% of the time. Effectively there is no counter to stealth, you just wait for the other team to stop using it.

Demigod would be the same if there weren't sweeping changes to the other DGs, because currently there's only one stealth counter in the whole game, and both of you don't feel it should even work against a stealth DG.

The majority of skill in this game is gauging risk vs. opportunity, and even a temporary stealth which would allow another player to show up out of thin air without some kind of telegraph (like teleport scroll animations) would alter that balance too dramatically.

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I was thinking the other day about a ninja DG, though I thought a japanese demon would be a more exotic candidate than a human, and I'd rather see this kind of thing as a stealth alternative:

Flash Bomb - The Oni (generic interim name) throws a powerful flash bomb at his feet, leaving a cloud of smoke which disorients and blinds his foes

Rank 1 - Stuns nearby enemies for 1 second, reduces the vision radius of enemies in the cloud by 8 and gives friendly units an 8% chance to dodge

Rank 2 - Rank 1 - Stuns nearby enemies for 1 second, reduces the vision radius of enemies in the cloud by 10 and gives friendly units a 16% chance to dodge

Rank 3 - Stuns nearby enemies for 1 second, reduces the vision radius of enemies in the cloud by 12 and gives friendly units a 24% chance to dodge

Rank 4 - Stuns nearby enemies for 1 second, reduces the vision radius of enemies in the cloud by 14 and gives friendly units a 32% chance to dodge

Rank 5 - Putrid Vapors - Enemies in your smoke cloud suffer 150 damage per second

- smoke cloud lasts for 5 seconds

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Obscenitor although I would love a stealth based class you are correct in saying we cannot provide a reason as to why it would improve the game. The best we can do is showcase ideas and hope we can come to a balance in how a invis could work in this game. I think my idea for a invis can be worked as a great basis for how one should act.

I am gonna try to provide a counter reason for every argument I've seen as to how it would be detrimental.

"They can stay invisible until they score a easy kill".

A invis like mine would mean they can only stay invis for a infinite amount of time once the player is 15. Not too mention it is then costing them 850 MP every 8 seconds. Plus the only way to guarantee to get in a easy attack is if they use Shadow step. This cost another 800 MP. Once they get 15 they can now root the target (which I can guarantee will be changed from a 2.5 second root for balancing reasons).

So now the only way to get that "easy" kill is once your 15+. Even still if your invising to get that easy kill that means your not killing and plus you are on their side of the base since an easy kill just won't happen by your base.

"A invisible character has no counter withing the demigod universe at this point."

I am gonna edit my post as I guess I didn't clarify but while invisible they cannot be attacked from a demigod directly but any AoE will hit them (stuns will knock them out of invis). While any direct target attack (pounce, penitance, fireball etc.) will be inneffective any AoE can hit them and do dmg still. This makes TB a insnae counter as you can freeze them for a few seconds wasting almost half of their invis. and even ending that with a deep freeze will prevent another invis once the first invis wears off.

About the totem, I was completely wrong at first it shouldnt be completely ineffective. But it should only be effective when placed on the ground. so someone playing as stealth class? spend 150g on three items that will completely null most of the moves.

"WoW's invis allows for cheap early shots and is completely unbalanced for invis classes"

I don't play WoW but I do know what your talking about from friends. Only thing is this isn't wow. In WoW they are quite a few skills you could get off just from being invis'd. In this you have two, and one of them cancels the invis. I agree there will always be that cheap shot you can get in, but how is that different from a max range regulus getting a bunch of shots in before someone closes the gap? Since the only time invis is "super powered" is 15+ a regulus can deal a huge amount of damage in the 2-3 seconds the gap is closed.

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I forgot I wanted to mention that idea you put up ahead, I think that would be a great idea but it isn't stealth, it is just another debuff. If you are fighting someone and use that, guess what they will still be hitting you. unless it forces them to untarget you (which will be ridiculous) they will not stop attacking you. It isn't stealth but can be a great idea for a support character.

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Well you haven't really presented a reason why you think invisibility would make improve the game.

an invisibility hero would provide more strategic depth into this game.

I would wager most people who are vehemently against stealth have been frustrated by WoW's implementation of rogues, and I agree with them 100%.

its the same as if someone wanted to say something about dota.

Demigod isnt WoW either.

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an invisibility hero would provide more strategic depth into this game.

agreed... stealth is a must for strategy building games. not so much the game play (that more of a psycological strategy) but for playing against it. with invis heroes you need to work more with well placed nukes, stratigicly placed totems, learning to draw the hero out of invis for gank etc.

that said the limitation to having an invis hero is that they must obey 3 thinks:

Must be visible with detection items as well as when in range of towers
Can only be invis for a short time before having to recharge/cooldown/gain mana
When attacking invis heroes must come out of invis (same with abilities)

if you have an stealth Demigod like this (which form what i read above, needs a bit of work) then it definately adds to the depth of the game.

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