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Auto Attack Madness, which Items to take?

June 17, 2009 2:02:18 PM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

For fun, I wanted to try to experiment with some auto attack based builds for TB, Rook, Queen.  Problem is I'm having a hard time determining which favor item would be best for actually allowing all that auto attack damage to work in your favor.  The way I see it you need to A: be able to do a lot of auto attack damage and B: be able to keep the enemy in auto attack range.  Here are my thoughts on the items, I'd appreciate any imput from others:

Mards hammer - Obviously a huge boost in damage and attack speed.  Nice item but how do you keep the enemy in range long enough to kill with this if youa re the demi's I listed above?

Furious Blade - Possibly even a larger boost then Mards but I'm not sure, at what point does this suprass it?  Again how do you keep somone from running and actually kill them?

Poison Blade - So now you have a little attack speed and the opportunity to slow them down so you can stay on them.  But is this enough to be able to get the kill?  Do you lose too much damage from not choosing one of the other favor items?

Anything I missed?  Any way for these demis to get high damage and still be able to keep the enemy close enough for the kill?  I'm thinking you can't stack speed items and damage items or you'll be a total joke, but stacking the normal health/armor items and going for a few damage items on the side might be viable.  Thougts?

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Reply #1 June 17, 2009 2:36:44 PM
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Yes, you missed blood of the fallen and swift anklet.  Auto-attack builds are dependent on all your physical stats, not just damage.  With an auto attack build, you should either be kiting with high damage and speed(possible with reg, tb, qot) or tanking with tons of health(possible with just about anyone).

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Reply #2 June 17, 2009 2:44:39 PM
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The choices are either swift anklet or poison dagger, imo.  The anklet is "always on" but the dagger gives you a greater slow when it activates, plus the free 5% attack speed.

Basically I think it's poison dagger with UB, anklet for everyone else.  Assuming you're just looking at auto attack

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Reply #3 June 17, 2009 3:00:48 PM
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If you're auto attacking with Rook, then you need Swift Anklet plain and simple and you'll need to focus on all the speed items you can get.

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Reply #4 June 17, 2009 3:32:36 PM
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Nah, poison dagger is so the way to go with Rook.  With a swift anklet you're still not going to catch anybody else who has even boots of speed.  With the poison dagger though, when it triggers you'll be smacking even that UB who took the swift anklet.  It also helps you to disengage assuming you were fighting in melee (as opposed to running away from a ganking, always a problem for Rooks).  I love to play Rook with poison dagger, save all my initial gold for wyrmskin, then get a wand of speed.  Dump points into stat increases, soulder turrets, god strength and hammer smash.  Intimidate people into running away with a hammer smash then...OH MY GOD THE ROOK IS RUNNING ME DOWN!  Lots of fun.

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Reply #5 June 17, 2009 3:38:06 PM
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Nah, poison dagger is so the way to go with Rook.

....You do know items that have a flat chance to proc are the worst with heroes who have the slowest attack speed.

....Right?

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Reply #6 June 17, 2009 4:55:46 PM
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Very good information here so far.  I thought about the anklet, but for a rook build due to such low base speed I thought that would be a waste and never really be able to be up to speed enough to keep on someone.  Other demis might do better with anklet.  Poison dagger seemed good but like infinate says how much in game will this proc when i want to kill someone, I wonder if it will be enough to be worth it.  Looks like no one recomends the damage and speed boosting favor items, I guess they just aren't enough to justify not getting something that will speed you up or slow them down or increase your own survivability.  Hmmm.

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Reply #7 June 17, 2009 5:02:19 PM
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for my ice TB autoattack build (very squishy):

mards hammer

ashkandor
mageslayer
doomspite grips
slayers wraps
wyrmskin gloves

max out rain of ice and permafrost
1 point in deep freeze for fast interrupt
1 point in frost nova for cheeky 2nd interrupt
6 points in stats

personal best was just over 900dps on character screen

I use mards hammer for all of my autoattack builds, I reckon the furious blades will push you over the atk speed cap, but havent tested.

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Reply #8 June 17, 2009 5:04:31 PM
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Rook will never be a particularly viable autoattack build due to his slow move speed in my opinion, anyone can run away UNLESS you stack swift anklets + boots of speed + journeymans treads and a wand of speed which gimps dps way too much.

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Reply #9 June 17, 2009 6:02:30 PM
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Heaven's Wrath is good for Rook as you can farm places while you lumber your slow ass over to them.

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Reply #10 June 17, 2009 7:06:00 PM
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Hmm I like your frost build, looks fun to try.  I wish I could do a fire TB one but the no auto attack while chasing in fire is too much to take.  I think its best probably to get some health items so you're not toally dead but good ideas for certain.

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Reply #11 June 17, 2009 8:33:58 PM
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[quote who="[ShakeNBake]" reply="8" id="2264435"]Rook will never be a particularly viable autoattack build due to his slow move speed in my opinion, anyone can run away UNLESS you stack swift anklets + boots of speed + journeymans treads and a wand of speed which gimps dps way too much.[/quote]

I am not too sure about that.  Cant you get the artifact cloak which gives you 20% movement speed to replace boots of speed and journeymans treads?  Or at least the boots of speed?   You already have a 150+ damage boost from your passive stats.  If you are doing an autoattack build, you do not need massive mana for the towers so only one mana item is necessary. 

I've tried this before and I did move extremely fast.  The game was not that successful though and it is unclear to me whether that was because my team sucked, or an autoattack Rook gives too much up in terms of map control (i.e., the towers are necessary to control the map early).

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Reply #12 June 17, 2009 8:49:12 PM
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Quoting InfiniteVengeance,
reply 5

Nah, poison dagger is so the way to go with Rook.
....You do know items that have a flat chance to proc are the worst with heroes who have the slowest attack speed.

....Right?

It doesn't proc with arrows?  I don't play rook, but I've heard that items which proc when you get hit tend to go off a lot near a rook with an archer tower.

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Reply #13 June 18, 2009 1:23:08 AM
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The archer tower has its own version of the poison dagger at level 15.

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Reply #14 June 18, 2009 7:56:10 AM
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the rook build you just mentioned requires at least 2 items which are not +dmg items, therefore it is not an autoattack build ^^

my standard rook build is 0 towers, max hammer slam, max shoulder upgrades, lvl 2 boulder roll, max god strength, and stats

items = 1 hp item, 1 armor item, 1 speed item, 1 dmg item, 1 mana item + wand of speed + portals + locks or potions

I do however change my build depending on opponents / map etc.

and just hit rank no.5 overall rook player  

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Reply #15 June 18, 2009 8:01:41 AM
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heavens wrath is fun, but practical uses are limited.

1) you gimp your team-mate if you steal his creeps

2) you get less gold / exp than if u killed them up close

3) if enemy cap the central portals, you can run back and forth farming 2 lanes at once no problem, without heavens wrath

4) if you dont take blood of the fallen i will be pushing you out of the lane from lvl 1 onwards no matter what item / build you have

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Reply #16 June 18, 2009 10:48:12 AM
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2) you get less gold / exp than if u killed them up close

What?

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Reply #17 June 18, 2009 11:45:42 AM
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Yea, you get more xp/gold for actually killing the creeps yourself. You get less when you don't kill them but you're nearby and you get somewhere around the same if not less when you kill them using Heaven's Wraith.

Does posion dagger work with the Rooks arrows and beam?

I usually end up late game doing 500ish AA damage with my rook without artifacts. With artifacts I'll do around the 800ish area. And have a speed of at least 8.1

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Reply #18 June 18, 2009 12:57:40 PM
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if poison dagger worked with rooks arrows that would be pretty lol

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Reply #19 June 18, 2009 2:25:51 PM
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Reg - So you get anklet and boots of speed and don't feel hurt enough in other areas like health and damage boost?  What kind of build do you use?  Are you buying boots and wand too?  What kind of purchase order do you use?

To all I was really curious on the poison dagger proccing off shoulder arrows myself, if it does then its definately worth considering as the favor item since anytime the arrows are raining down (and no creeps around) you're going to have a good chance of snaring the enemy.

Also didn't know about the Heavens Wrath not giving as much money, interesting.

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Reply #20 June 18, 2009 2:39:49 PM
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lol I played a game today and managed to hit 1113 dps with rook, and I wasn't even using optimal items

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Reply #21 June 18, 2009 3:53:17 PM
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On just auto attack?  I thought you said rook wouldn't be a good auto attack candidate lol.

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Reply #22 June 18, 2009 8:22:30 PM
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well he isn't a good candidate because the enemy always has the option of running

1113dps when you hover over the dmg range on the character screen

and technically rook probably has the highest possible value for dps if you stack the best damage items in the game + god's strength + stats all max

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Reply #23 June 18, 2009 8:32:11 PM
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I have to say rook would be shit... well decent... but not good...

Hes 2 slow and his atk speed 2 slow.

Posion dagger would have a hueg chance to not hit and chances are you get 1 swing to poision your target before he runs away... and thats if the player lets rook hit him.

Rook needs major health at beginning, hes so slow that hes #1 target for me if hes got low HP, towers or not, you can easily rush in with 2-3 teammates and slaughter a rook.

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Reply #24 June 19, 2009 11:39:10 PM
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I don't even see an option to buy a poison dagger for my favor for the UB. 

 Edt:  Forgot to add the in case someone thought I was serious.

 

 

 

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