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Conceding Questions

June 28, 2009 6:30:57 PM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

I heard that if you concede within 3/5/7min it doesnt count the game, is this even true, and if so, which is it? I'm curious since its super awesome when you start a game 2v3 due to a dc or early rage. Or if the other side loses someone early and stomping them isn't exactly fun.

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Reply #1 June 28, 2009 6:42:50 PM
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I am not sure either, but I thought that if you concede within the first x minutes, you simply get no favor points at all (you as the one who conceded) and that the game always counts?

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Reply #2 June 29, 2009 4:46:30 AM
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If you end up in a game with an AI on your team, don't concede, just leave.

The game won't count for you if you leave fast enough. Also, games that last very short time (not sure of the time limit) are not counted, but appear as N/A for anyone, even for the winners.

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Reply #3 June 29, 2009 4:49:54 AM
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It doesn't matter if you concede or leave. When you leave, you concede automatically.

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Reply #4 June 29, 2009 4:55:19 AM
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Leaving is better in general. You might have a partner, who does not concede.

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Reply #5 June 29, 2009 4:58:29 AM
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How is that better? If you directly leave, you leave your partner alone, with an AI to feed the enemy.

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Reply #6 June 29, 2009 5:48:11 AM
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I remember reading that if you leave within 3 minutes of the game starting, you don't get a loss. If your team concedes, no matter how long it is into the game you dont get a loss. If you leave a game and the game you left ends in less than 10 minutes, you dont get a loss.


Im like 99% sure about this.

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Reply #7 June 29, 2009 5:57:34 AM
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Quoting Helios,
reply 6
I remember reading that if you leave within 3 minutes of the game starting, you don't get a loss. If your team concedes, no matter how long it is into the game you dont get a loss. If you leave a game and the game you left ends in less than 10 minutes, you dont get a loss.


Im like 99% sure about this.

No, there is no difference between leaving and conceding. The purpose of conceding is that the opposite team wins immediately when the other team concedes, without having to finish the game against the AI.

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Reply #8 June 29, 2009 5:58:06 AM
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Quoting Spooky,
reply 5
How is that better? If you directly leave, you leave your partner alone, with an AI to feed the enemy.

Remember, we are talking about situations where there already is an AI in your team. So an extra one does not matter. If your ally is not smart enough to also leave, then he deserves the loss. But there ARE people, who continue to fight against 3 humans, when they have 2 AI on their team. Those same people do not concede, if given the opportunity to do so at the start (because you are already having 1 AI in your team.)

Simply leaving once you see that you have an AI partner solves the hassle of having to hope your ally is smart enough to concede at start.

Plus, no matter what your ally does, concedes, leaves, or stays and fight a doomed fight, you save yourself, and don't get a loss from the game.

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Reply #9 June 29, 2009 6:06:45 AM
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I believe it doesn't count if you have an AI on your team while conceding early.

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Reply #10 June 29, 2009 6:11:18 AM
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Quoting Aviyur,
reply 9
I believe it doesn't count if you have an AI on your team while conceding early.

AI in your team is a REASON to concede/leave early. But yea, don't think the mechanics chance due to the precence of an AI

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Reply #11 June 29, 2009 6:13:55 AM
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Quoting Spooky,
reply 7

The purpose of conceding is that the opposite team wins immediately when the other team concedes, without having to finish the game against the AI.

Once you leave, you are replaced by an AI. This AI will immediatelly propose a concede. (And every other AI will automatically accept.) Once your team has only AI, they all concede, the match ends immediatelly after the last human player has left.

However, if the game starts with ONLY AI in one team, then they don't concede. (A bug perhaps?)

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Reply #12 June 29, 2009 6:17:52 AM
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No, the concede happens before you leave the game and before you are replaced by an AI. So when you leave, you automatically concede.

The AI does not concede. The game ends when one team wins the game or when 100% of human players of one team have conceded.

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Reply #13 June 29, 2009 6:19:54 AM
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http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/688015/player/21445/

Actually this game springs to mind. I ejected some guy because for some reason after a couple of minutes no-one could connect to him, the oponent got an AI on his team.

The oponent conceeded 2mins into the match and the AI followed suit, the match ended and was counted as N/A.

So if someone could set up a premade for pantheon and then team-conceed asap. We'll find out soon enough whether its due to time limiting, or AI.

GO!

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Reply #14 June 29, 2009 7:38:35 AM
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Quoting Spooky,
reply 12
No, the concede happens before you leave the game and before you are replaced by an AI. So when you leave, you automatically concede.

True. Like I said. The game indeed replaces you with an AI before you leave. And that AI proposes a concede. But as the time between you pressing the "leave game" button, and you actually leaving the game is around 1 second, it's not really that relevant.

Quoting Spooky,
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The AI does not concede. The game ends when one team wins the game or when 100% of human players of one team have conceded.

False.

If you start the game with an AI player in your team, that AI WILL concede, or at least the game behaves like the AI has conceded once somebody else concedes, (for example, once the last human of that team leaves).

Only teams, that start out as FULL AI, do not concede.

 

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Reply #15 June 29, 2009 7:51:16 AM
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Quoting Elmoman,
reply 14
False.

If you start the game with an AI player in your team, that AI WILL concede, or at least the game behaves like the AI has conceded once somebody else concedes, (for example, once the last human of that team leaves).

Only teams, that start out as FULL AI, do not concede.

 
Isn't that the same as saying the game ends once 100% of human teammembers concede?

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Reply #16 June 29, 2009 8:20:14 AM
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Quoting Spooky,
reply 15

 Isn't that the same as saying the game ends once 100% of human teammembers concede?

Yea, it is. I just meant that AI indeed does concede, if there are humans present who also concede.

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Reply #17 June 29, 2009 8:29:06 AM
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Quoting Spooky,
reply 7

Quoting Helios, reply 6I remember reading that if you leave within 3 minutes of the game starting, you don't get a loss. If your team concedes, no matter how long it is into the game you dont get a loss. If you leave a game and the game you left ends in less than 10 minutes, you dont get a loss.


Im like 99% sure about this.
No, there is no difference between leaving and conceding. The purpose of conceding is that the opposite team wins immediately when the other team concedes, without having to finish the game against the AI.

 

I didnt say anything about the difference between leaving and conceding, your mind made that up based on how you interpreted my post. Read it again.

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Reply #18 June 29, 2009 8:34:17 AM
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Quoting Helios,
reply 17
I didnt say anything about the difference between leaving and conceding, your mind made that up based on how you interpreted my post. Read it again.

You were saying

If your team concedes, no matter how long it is into the game you dont get a loss. If you leave a game and the game you left ends in less than 10 minutes, you dont get a loss.
which implies that there is a difference between leaving and conceding. But there isn't. And the game will count, if you concede, otherwise all the enemy has to do in order to avoid a loss is concede, which would be a pretty stupid system .

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Reply #19 June 29, 2009 3:56:27 PM
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You guys are missing the point of the original question.  Let me rephrase it to make it clearer so hopefully we can have some appropriate feedback.

There are two elements in play:

1) If you leave a game before X minutes, the game will not count as a win/loss for you though will be recorded as a win/loss for those who stayed and finished (or quit after the X minute mark).

2) If the game ENDS (doesn't matter if there are leavers, conceders, citadel destroyed, anything) before Y minutes, the game shows up in the games list as NA, completely unranked for all participants.


The real question is, what is the value for X and Y.

In my experience you can leave a game around the 3 minute mark and have it not count for you, but the game will still be ranked for the people who stayed (given it lasts longer than Y).  Also, for the game to count it seems like it has to pass a 5 minute mark.  So 3 for X and 5 for Y.  These are my guesses though, and I would love to hear if anybody knows the absolute correct values.

 

Again - this is not a discussion on leaving vs. conceding vs. AI, etc.  It is simply how long can you stay before the game doesn't count for you, and how long can the game last before it becomes a ranked game.

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Reply #20 June 29, 2009 4:06:26 PM
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Way to shepherd the herd back towards the point in the OP, Goggris.

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Reply #21 June 29, 2009 5:14:39 PM
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Wait rankings are working?

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Reply #22 June 29, 2009 5:35:00 PM
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Wait rankings are working?

lol, good one.

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