I have to admit that trailer looked freaking sweet. Perhaps Mechwarrior can be the come back kid.

Mechwarrior 4 wasn't THAT bad. Two things I really enjoyed about it: The mech customization, as mentioned, actually made sense this time around. Instead of strapping LRM20s on my legs and shooting lasers out of my eyes (Okay but NOT as an Annihilator!), I could only put things on in a way that the mech was designed for. Turning a missile platform like the Catapult into a close-combat beast with LBXAC20s was just silly. I also liked the removal of instant leg kills. MW3 was more or less just 'run in circles and snipe knees'. They'd lose a leg and WHOOP it's over.

I am worred by this:

LAME.

But hey, they're still looking for a publisher. Get on it, Stardock! And then CRUSH the console noobery.

I would LOVE to have a Masakari in the game... but I think the game is set before they came out.

Quick, name ONE PC GAME that managed to NOT be dumbed-down for consoles.

I'm still utterly appalled that people see any game being on a console to be a 'pro'.

But as far as these things go, a sim game like this has the best chance of not getting completely screwed up. They did also mention that they're looking carefully at controls, so I really doubt we'd end up with a straight port one way or the other and that they'd just remap the 360 pad on the keyboard and call it done.

Of course the part in a game like this that suffers most is aiming controls - consoles tend to have oversized targeting reticules since the gamepad is less precise and less quick than the mouse but at the same time we're also shooting big hulking mechs so hopefully they won't feel like it'll be necessary.

Ideally, I'd like them to develop for PC *first*, and then do a console port. That really stands the best chance of coming out well..

Splinter Cell started on X-Box and as such was designed for a console.  It's hardly a complex game.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything related to this thread, but ok:
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.
Fallout 3.
Bioshock.
These games were created for the Xbox 360 and the PC at the same time and turned out to be some of the greatest games ever released. It has nothing to with the consoles.

Games that were later ported to PC that weren't as good as their console counter parts:
Splinter Cell - all of them.
Gears of War.
Halo.
Halo 2.

As I said, I have no idea what this has to do with anything, but theres some nice lists to go through.

To all of you saying that this studio is some no-name, you couldn't be more wrong. Smith & Tinker was founded by the Jordan Weisman--founder of FASA Corporation and basically the father of BattleTech.

On a different note, while I'm no experience battletech player I feel like MW4's loadout system was much closer to the original feel than MW3's. I recall that I had no trouble fitting 8 ER Medium Lasers onto a Shadowcat, along with full armor, MASC and engines for 130kph, and enough heatsinks to allow near-constant firing in banks of 4 lasers each. I fit seven ERMLs in MW4, couldn't top 100, and had to drop armor to fit enough heatsinks to make it usable in combat.

Hhahahhahahaahha!

So let's compare that to:

- Morrowind
- Fallout 2
- System Shock 2

..

Snap.

Bioshock was the only passable game there, and it was still an overhyped, generally underwhelming game with lousy gameplay. I still have no idea why that game is considered so good. Of all the great games I have, I've never once felt any desire to play Bioshock again. I think the Sander Cohen level was the only one worth a damn, but one hour of decent gameplay hardly overcomes the 12 other hours of inane mediocrity.

Fallout 3 was less dumbed-down than Oblivion was, if anything. Oblivion is probably the worst game I've ever spent money on; Everything in that abominable shitheap was fucking terrible. The combat system was a shitty joke, the magic system was atrocious, the quests were fucking shit, the story was balls, the setting was horrible the voice acting... yeah we all know this one, the character development system was a meaningless pile of crap. It was like they took all the crappy flaws of Morrowind, and then cut out everything that redeemed the game from there.

Please, RPGs are my favorite genre bar none. That whole fucking genre has been raped to be dumbed-down to consoles. Go show me the Planescape: Torment for consoles.

The point-and-click RPG of yesteryear, such as Baldur's Gate and even Planescape: Torment, are great games and obviously can't really be faithfully transfered to consoles without Mouse and Keyboard support. However, assuming every game that has ever been released on any console in the history of human kind is a steaming pile of trash worthy of nothing more than your pointless and obviously uninformed insults really doesn't speak well of yourself.

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion currently holds a 94% rating on Metacritic. That's the PC and Xbox 360 version. So, your comments about Oblivion are obviously personal preference rather than the words of masses. I, personally, really enjoyed Oblivion on the Xbox 360. Fallout 3, while still an amazing game, isn't as good as Oblivion in my eyes - however, that's probably because I enjoy the fantasy setting more so than the post-nuclear war setting. In either case, fantastic games.

Narrowing your vision with the "Console retards couldn't play a complex game LOZL-ROFLCOPTER" mentality doesn't really insult console gamers so much as it insults yourself. There have been some fantastic games released on the consoles over the years, and some of them have gone to help shape gaming as we know it. If you judge a game based merely on it's complexity, go and play Microsoft Flight Simulator X and leave playing the games that are fun, regardless of their platform, to the rest of us.

You bring a tear to my eye man!

Bungie was massive before Halo, originally big with Marathon, but not that big, it blew people out of the water with the Myth series, Oni was mediocre but by the time Bungie started showcasing Halo people knew they were in for a treat because it was from them.  We (PC and Mac Gamers who were their fans) just didn't realise we were getting screwed at the time and deserted for the X-Box.

btw. regarding Mechwarrior4 FREE Release Status

The Mechwarrior4 FREE release is still currently to be announced. MekTek had hoped to gain permission for the release while visiting Smith and Tinker, Inc. in Seattle this week. However, we have learned that Microsoft has endured several administrative changes which currently impede the release. The good news, however, is that a meeting to finalize the release is scheduled near the American Thanks Giving Holiday. Smith and Tinker said that it will only take 1-2 more days before permission is granted. From MekTek, we are happy to report that the release is ready and awaiting permission to push that big shiny green release button at MekTek headquarters.