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Invalid gamestate

Exploitative avoidance of losses?

August 14, 2009 12:41:35 PM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

Hi,

Recently I've started experiencing invalid gamestates and then end of game more and more often. It also seems to happen at exactly point where the game is decidedly over (albeit not formally). This leads me to suspect that some people are forcing desyncs by some exploitative method in order to avoid gaining a loss in pantheon. Has this been investigated?

Regards,

Saraphim

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Reply #1 August 18, 2009 1:18:16 AM
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 Happened to me today during Pantheon.Was very close to an easy victory too.Shows as an EpochII game no other info listed.The game lasted at least 15-20 min.

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Reply #2 August 19, 2009 4:49:45 PM
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This has happend to me too these last days. Today i have playd 4 games. 3 of them ended like this. And yea, its when it seems the game is over. This happend after the last update (not the 1.1 patch).

Its really enoying playing games and not recive the favor points iv been working on the last 20-30 mins! (3 times in a row!!) i could rather watch a movie, but i chose demigod... maybe i shud reconcidder tomorrow...

 

PS! I playd on custom game

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Reply #3 August 20, 2009 9:54:06 AM
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This happens about every other game the last few days.  Get this fixed please.

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Reply #4 August 20, 2009 11:52:22 AM
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It has come to our attention that some certain players are intentionally using the new desync handling to avoid losses. They and the issue they are exploiting are being investigated.

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Reply #5 August 20, 2009 2:36:59 PM
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My tip-> autokick players with desync problems. I pay good money for my internett, why shud i suffer for the ppl who uses  modem made of wood or ISDN from kenya? Also, bring in a kick system (for ppl that make game lagg spike.

Don't get me wrong, i love this game to death. This looks like the end is near... im to young man, to young.

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Reply #6 August 23, 2009 3:49:35 AM
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Good, I just played two games, the first was very close until my teammates mysteriously lagged out, and the second was a clear victory which resulted in an invalid gamestate.  Should have two victories, and I wondered if these issues could be forced by losers.

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Reply #7 August 23, 2009 11:34:42 AM
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 Happened in a game I hosted last night.We were losing and just before our citadal was destroyed we had the de-sync error.I thought this was a host exploit,I did nothing to cause it,

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Reply #8 August 29, 2009 7:02:07 AM
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I just had a game with the error.

[url=http://img530.imageshack.us/i/dgdesyncfail.png/]Click Here to watch full size[/url]

 

ejdustin just left the game and Nuviel is left, cuz we pretty much  ran over them.

It may be ejdutin who did it when he left, bcuz it was caused right after he left. Or it cud be nuviel. Fluffy left 10 mins b4 this happend.

 

hope this helps

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Reply #9 August 29, 2009 10:00:40 AM
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Happens a lot more often lately and annoys the hell out of me, even when I'm on the losing team... I guess the word spreads how it works.

Such issues (cheating) need to be fixed ASAP.

This is no thing that should be fixed in some patch sometimes in the future.

HOTFIX, NOW!

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Reply #10 August 29, 2009 3:12:16 PM
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Never seen it before yesterday, now I've seen it 3 times already....  Last time was right before our team won the game.

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Reply #11 August 30, 2009 12:36:12 AM
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Oh man, so its been intentional? No wonder it almost always happens just before a win/loss >.<

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Reply #12 August 31, 2009 11:08:00 AM
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Have had it twice now... both were when I won. Just before the stats page would appear. Hotfix would be very nice, no point in playing when people can ruin your game just like that...

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Reply #13 September 2, 2009 1:52:44 PM
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I had the problem a lot with the player SPOKUHA ! Maybe it's possible to track his games if there is a problem or an exploit!

The games with him won't show up in the games list!

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Reply #14 September 2, 2009 2:02:54 PM
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So, I have to admit, I'm a bit puzzled about why everyone is so upset about this one. Sure it is annoying and should be fixed, however if the bug is caused by people intentionally, then they were going to quit anyway. The only difference between them quitting or creating an invalid gamestate is how the game is recorded in your stats.

Do your stats matter that much?

Really?

Does your enjoyment of a game really depend on how someone records it?

I used to play a lot of Total Annihilation back in the day. We never had stats, we just played games with folks. We never really kept track of winning and losing streaks. The same is for Counterstrike, Natural Selection, StarCraft, etc. It is just a number people, don't let it control you.

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Reply #15 September 2, 2009 2:43:32 PM
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Someone else is making my game crash. For me it's a matter of who's in control, I don't care much for the stats.

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Reply #16 September 3, 2009 11:11:05 PM
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i had the same issue again today player said he had to leave in a few minutes then ten min later showed him leaving then game stae immediatly was this on purpose who knows just sucks had been playing this game for 1.5 hr then for this to happen is just wrong

 

 beleive it was milouzeb52 had a screen shot but it wont paste

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Reply #17 September 3, 2009 11:13:26 PM
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i had the same issue again today player said he had to leave in a few minutes then ten min later showed him leaving then game stae immediatly was this on purpose who knows just sucks had been playing this game for 1.5 hr then for this to happen is just wrong

 

 beleive it was milouzeb52 had a screen shot but it wont paste

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Reply #18 September 14, 2009 4:17:30 PM
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<---- Another victim...

 

HOTFIX or cheater tracking in stats PLEASE

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Reply #19 September 19, 2009 3:38:28 PM
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I have a question to the people of Technical support;

 

Do u even care about all these people that gave you money by bying this game?

And i want to say this to everyone who plays demigod;

The Invalid error isnt something u should "suspect" it is being done on purpose by players who know how to hack.

It is a FACT.

PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST BAD LOSERS CHEAT SO THAT THEY CAN FEEL BETTER FOR THEMSELVES

and of course to piss off the winners.

I know more than 15 people who do this kind of cheat and i dont suspect them, i am sure they do it.

1 of them used this cheat on me when he was losing and actually joined back to my next game and said to me;

"Got you sucker! that was piece of Cake" and then he left.

I am saying all this so that nobody questions if this is a bug exploit kind of cheat or not.

Because IT IS.

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Reply #20 September 19, 2009 3:44:59 PM
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And which idiot thought of this thing anyway?

"Oh lets make the game suck even more by replacing the already Annoying as hell Desync window by something even worse"

"Lets create something that will piss off anyone who really likes this game. Lets create the Invalid gamestate Error. It will screw up the game even more!! Yay!!! "

I totaly agree with Cosmoe.

 

This thing NEEDS TO BE FIXED NOW

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Reply #21 September 25, 2009 5:25:45 PM
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If someone posted the specific steps on how this hack works, perhaps it will get fixed faster.  Personally I don't know how they do it.  If I can reproduce or if the dev team can re-produce, then they can fix it.  But following this thread, it seems more like heresay then actual fact.

 

I can say however that I too have had many games crash, all while I have been winning.  But my game also crashed once while I was winning.

 

 

andy

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Reply #22 September 27, 2009 7:06:14 AM
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I Confirm , happened 3 times to me over last 5 , games

 

guess what it was the 3 games where we came back and was kicking ass and takeing names ..

 

GG - then DESYNC !!

 

Bull shit , i came here to post this  , I love this game but this shit has got to stop , I want my wins to count

 

 

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Reply #23 September 27, 2009 7:10:35 AM
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Quoting Ptarth,
reply 14
So, I have to admit, I'm a bit puzzled about why everyone is so upset about this one. Sure it is annoying and should be fixed, however if the bug is caused by people intentionally, then they were going to quit anyway. The only difference between them quitting or creating an invalid gamestate is how the game is recorded in your stats.

Do your stats matter that much?

Really?

Does your enjoyment of a game really depend on how someone records it?

I used to play a lot of Total Annihilation back in the day. We never had stats, we just played games with folks. We never really kept track of winning and losing streaks. The same is for Counterstrike, Natural Selection, StarCraft, etc. It is just a number people, don't let it control you.

 

YES it does , When i play a game for hours , i like to look back and see how i've been doing , who i've been loseing ag. why and how to not let it happen it makes you a better player .

 

And guess what IT DOES NOT MATTER , people are cheating it should be fixed . Does not matter that all it causes is no reporting of stats , ITS CHEATING and wrong .

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Reply #24 September 29, 2009 6:54:09 AM
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This is completely ruining my enjoyment of the game. Of the 4 multiplayer games I have played, 3 of them ended in a desync, and right before victory. The other one? The last player dropped out of the opposing team and the AI finished it off.

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Reply #25 October 4, 2009 10:51:47 AM
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Quoting Ptarth,
reply 14
So, I have to admit, I'm a bit puzzled about why everyone is so upset about this one. Sure it is annoying and should be fixed, however if the bug is caused by people intentionally, then they were going to quit anyway. The only difference between them quitting or creating an invalid gamestate is how the game is recorded in your stats.

Do your stats matter that much?

Really?

Does your enjoyment of a game really depend on how someone records it?

For veteran players, I don't think it matters as much.  For up and coming players, I think it matters quite a bit. 

1)  you can't save a replay anymore; this hurts players who want to record/track their performance and learn from others.

2)  i bought a favor item that one match, then it invalid game stated.  Since it failed, I didn't have that favor item anymore, but I thought I did.    So I bought another item.  I realized that I no longer had my first favor item, but by now I did not have enough points.  yeah no big deal but it is still a nuisance.

3)  without a replay game, you might not remember the names of your great allies that you enjoyed playing with.  or the culprit.

4)  stats can get you alienated from PUGs

I'd be happy if it just let me save my replays.  The favor item thing can slide, but it is an annoyance all in all.

Again, for veterans who already have more than enough favor points to buy all their useful items and don't really need to watch replays, it is moot.

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