Alright, I agree that dying early is a bad thing.

I am saying, how often would you die in the first two minutes, without getting a kill on the other person, no character is OP enough early so that if they kill you, they should atleast be fairly close to death, so that person will most likely have to run back to base to heal up, or otherwise die for staying too long with too little health...IMO

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Point taken

Sorry, I assume that anyone without the proper build will try and stay away from people who stacked health, I guess that some people like erebus and oak, could chase down a regulus who stacked damage, yet didnt get speed yet...

Often I find an early death on my side is accompanied by an early death on their side either just before or just after. The difference really does end up being 600 gold, which can come out in the wash easily enough. I've lost games when I've had the early kill, I've won games when dying early.

Early deaths are no biggie unless you're already overmatched or very unlucky.

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If you lose someone off of the start... A competent opponent will destroy one of your two main defensive towers.

Either you fight 2v2 at HP flag..... mana flag tower is gone because no one is there to protect it.

Or you split up. 1 guy at each flag. that guy is gonna have to fight 2v1, and depending on heros, thats a tower either way.

If enemy has a rook, he can drop a tower by himself while taking 0 damage.

If enemy has a sedna. He can tank / heal ally and destroy your tower.

If enemy has both......... and rook has tp favor (he should)........... you just lost both towers in 1 instant.

example: sedna / beast destroy HP flag tower

rook tp's to mana flag, destroys mana flag tower.... captures gold mine afterwards. Rook creates a tower, next to your tower, your tower focus fires that tower, no dmg is done to rook. He just wrecked your defensive structure.

If you can't kill the tower, you are at least stuck playing the defensive, and spending money on fortified structure a bit too early if you want to survive. once those 2 towers are gone,,, and if gone early,,,, its a rough road ahead

In an average pug game? it prob wont make a difference, guy who got the kill will prob use the money to buy a health pot or something equally as ridiculous instead of pressing the advantage or turning that kill money into a fast currency 1 upgrade.

We're talking about Demigod right?

If you play vs a team where someone dies off the start, the whole team is most likely weak for the following reasons:

1. obviously they are not a pre. Nothing wrong with that, but pre's tend to have more serious / experienced players on them (whether or not they decide to call themselves a pre )

2. If you joined a random pug and didnt stats your allies to make sure no one is 2-40 (aka the guy who died off the start), you probably didnt know about the stats function, which means you're new to the game, which means you're probably not that great.

3. If the other team killed a guy off the start, that means all 3 where in the same spot at once, or at least 2 guys, and a well timed snipe. This means they have at least the basic sense of teamwork and if they have any experience, you're losing a tower quickly.

Otherwise, yes, you're 100% correct and I agree with you. But from my experience, there's more bad players than good online (not talking shit, or making fun of anyone, it's just how I see it - otherwise you wouldn't have so many guys who don't play pre vs pug AND still maintain very high win/loss ratio's

That's worth structural transfer 1. Nothing to write home about.

You lose 462 XP if you miss 2 creep waves. You would have to be out of the game an entire minute to lose this much XP. At level 7 it takes 875 XP to level up. That's just over half a level. It's not that bad as long as your teammates farm the XP.

You're dead for what, 10 seconds? That's nothing special. It takes you longer to walk back to spawn, shop, and return than it does to die and walk back.

Not in the very early game when there are still plenty of towers.

This only works in the very early game if all 3 Demigods are in one lane, and your teammates do not respond. Towers hurt a ton early game.

Dying early is often an inidication of how bad a player is if you have not played with them before. If you know your teammate made only a careless error and is still a decent player, there is no reason why this mistake should cost you the game. Many mistakes occur every game.

To rage cause ya got killed at lvl 1,2 or 3 is just wrong.
There are so many more elements in the game the determine the outcome.
Like all other post, i'm not saying it's good to die but definatly not worth to rage.

The biggest advantage the other team has is not the gold or the XP but , the time it
has been given to further develop them selfs.

The only way i see tht it does matter is when your whole team  gets killed in a massive rape.
If that's the case there is something seriously wrong with the team.

Its a game

Rage Quitting once someone dies is lame and defeats purpose of stated game

Dont do it

Of course dying is bad. It always is but I think Ive only played 2 games online where Ive never died

You've obviously never played as the rook.

Kill a tower at low level without armor as follows:

1. kill enemy grunts

2. let allied grunts push to tower to take damage

3. create a tower of light on one of side of the enemy tower

4. move to the opposite side of the tower

5. kill tower

When the grunts are dead, the tower will auto attack the tower of light the rook placed, if the rook is not standing near it he can hit the enemy tower without taking any damage.... rinse and repeat... tower dead.

I've been watching this thread for a while but have never said anything.

That first death speeds up the time the other team would normally need to get Vlemish. That's a big deal.

Honestly, an early death sucks, but it really isn't the end of the world. In fact, very few single incidents cause a lost match that early (late game events like a portal lock, team whipe, etc are so much bigger). Ultimately you lose a bit of xp and the opponents gain some.  This is not good, but not game losing.

What is more important though is what actions caused the death.  A lot of people play too conservatively in the first few levels because they want to level up.  This is not always the best way to go. Getting a 'clean' kill early on can have more psychological effects than numeric ones. (Ever had a sedna/Erebus combo kill you halfway to your crystal, at level 2, because they both had two sets of monks?  Rather demoralizing).

Anyone left completely alone in a lane will have the first tower down in under 2:30.  I know I've done it in under two minutes from time to time.  Of course, this never happens in games where it would matter.