that the ub has some advatages does nto make him op. he has also his weaknisses.he is a 1vs1 melee fightter, he is THE 1vs1 melee fighter. if you reduce the whole game to only this situation then he is op at end game (early on he isn't even here op!). but the game allows much more things to do.

e.g. he cannot escape a ganking like an oak, ereb or sedna can do. he cannot fight at range, hit and run like a tb or reg. he cannotmake so mcuh aoe dmg like a tb (especially not when he is specialized as 1vs1 killer). etc.

not really and by the time u kill the monk uv lost half ur hp and need 2 go back 2 base so it isnt worth the trouble....and if hes a clever cookie he will sit the monk just behind the tower so the ub just needs to spit and run back to the monk for a heal then back in bizzo

A UB CAN beat an sedna although a full heal spec can withstand him. On the otherhand, I would list sedna under the "very good"characters with Erebus and UB(and maybe oak). She still doesnt have damage though.

YES it is a teamgame, BUT having the best 1vs1 on your team that is both the tank and the dps AND has an stun AND has speed isn't bad. He gains just as much from teamplay as everybody else if not more so due to ganks. I don't see how bigger games change this(although some skills like TB's aoe and reg's snipe would help). Having an UB on your team is practically ALWAYS GOOD. The same can't be said of TB or Rook or whatever.

And you still dint cover why a Rook can't defeat an UB. This is stupid. From a gamedesign perception Rook should have the upperhand since he loses out on speed, but he doesnt and he still sacrifices speed. THIS IS BAD GAME BALANCE. 

he has no speed/cant run away/ struggles to chase down even with anklet. i personally think UB is the only unbalanced character but thats just my opinion...i have learn now that when i 1v1 if the other guy is UB i always go UB and its so boring...again only my opinion.

Ehhh, there really isn't an ooze counter.

Played a game vs a beast that went ooze, grasp, inner beast. We was level 20, i was 20 oak, allies were 17 reg 17 erebus. Anytime we saw him, the entire team had to run away.

It got so bad, he sat at our portal flag with our giants hitting him, we 3v1 him, as he runs away I cloak of night on his head, surge, penitence, bite, mines, snipe repeat......... didn't die. He ran with red color health bar from our portal allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way back to his base 3v1.

This is why I have given up on spit

Right click 2 win

Acclimation -.- Only really unbalanced thing about Beast. He probably had a Bulwark on him as well, if the game was that late and it sounds like he was sorta fed. The only way he outran batswarm was if he had Journeyman's also.

because you get much more dmg out fo attributes then from spit at level 20. the attackspeed increase + the weapon dmg ads far mor dmg then the spit. additionally you have all your item slots with hp/armor/dmg items and not wasted one with mana.

after level 10 an ooze/inner beast with the default one point in grasp, and maybe 1 point in wrath then going for attributes is a better dg eater as any spit/ooze hybrid build.

edit: dont forget: the % attackspeed effect froma ttributes scales with your weapon dmg. spit does not scale at all. and dont forget, while you stunn your enemy he does no dmg, your ooze continues to damage. spit becomes an ineffective mana sink, costs you at least one itemslot for mana items.

edit2: but before level 10 or 12 spit/ooze hybrid can be very powerfull of course.

edit3: at levels after 12 during the cast time of spit i even do a quarter of the whole spit dmg if i do not spit instead.

ooze does *MASSIVE* aoe too so thats a shitty argument. Rook has a lot of downsides and when specced fully 1vs1, he should be able to stand up to an UB that is geared toward chasing people down. Rook sacrifices speed and mobility for straightout brute strenght. UB DOESNT have to SACRIFICE ANYTHING for this and hes still able to walk pretty fast.

Stats suck, the only reason you shouldnt take spit is for mana purposes but even then Im not really convinced that another 600 hp will beat 200 extra dps.

I don't know what builds you people are using, but if you can't hold back a UB from levels 1-15, especially one who gets anklets of speed or early boots or whatever exactly you mean by gearing to chase people, you're doing it wrong.

So wait, he gets to have a monk from his friend, and you don't get to a have a snipe from regulus? A monk is not a minor boost, but a relatively major one. How about you counter by having Sedna with Bishops, and a high priests from your oak?  I'm pretty sure that'd knock him on his ass.

Even in a true 1v1 Oak is on a pretty strict time limit. If UB breaks  5k HP and has priests, it's an uphill battle for oak.

i only do rook hammer/boulder/stats and i struggle vs ub its so much easier just to go ub and own the newb. as mostly newbs play ub cause imo hes OP...like i said OP ...obsenator dont reply to me as im over ur diarhea drivel.