Oak and Sedna » Forum Post by OMG

I think maybe of erebus and tower + slam rook, but Im not sure. I think oak is the best DG in this game.

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Im pretty shure starting from about level 7 oak erebus or oak/erebus ub will slowly start to beet this team. Sedna is average vs strong demigod builds.

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I would like to posit that Oak and Sedna are the best pair in this game, assuming that the other team does not have a Sedna. Anyone else agree? I've yet to see a pair that can stand up to these two that doesn't involve Sedna.

Well, you say they are the best pair, but only look at other pairs that DONT include sedna, for instance, I think UB + Sedna could be as good if not better...But i agree, the are definately one of the top pairs...

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This really depends on which map and under what conditions. Oak and sedna while is quite strong in 2w2 cataract. They won't be as good in 2w2 prison. They are also less affective compared to Ub or rook due to lack of aoe. So in my ideal team of 3w3, oak and sedna wouldn't work. They are very strong late game, and pretty much impossible to kill, but they never have the lane control erebus, ub with monk support and rook with monk support does.

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UB+bishop+queen= immortality

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UB + Erebus with the double-stun combo is probably the sickest duo I know (swarm-stun-bite-grasp-spit-ooze-die). But Sedna and Oak is very rough too. The first combo will kill you very quickly and the second combo cannot be killed. It would be an interesting collision of the irresistable force against the immovable object.

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Quoting Orcun_BL,

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This really depends on which map and under what conditions. Oak and sedna while is quite strong in 2w2 cataract. They won't be as good in 2w2 prison. They are also less affective compared to Ub or rook due to lack of aoe. So in my ideal team of 3w3, oak and sedna wouldn't work. They are very strong late game, and pretty much impossible to kill, but they never have the lane control erebus, ub with monk support and rook with monk support does.

Counterhealing can remove the monk advantage, though, and Healing Wind 2 means Sedna's bishops are amazing. I've seen games turn around instantaneously at level 8 because of counterhealing. Add this with the fact that Oak and Sedna can both have priests, and you get something that cannot be killed. Heck, I've had games where Oak and Sedna can 2v3 and beat the other team off.

Maybe I'll write up my Sedna guide here.

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Quoting Epiphenomenon,

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Quoting Orcun_BL, reply 4This really depends on which map and under what conditions. Oak and sedna while is quite strong in 2w2 cataract. They won't be as good in 2w2 prison. They are also less affective compared to Ub or rook due to lack of aoe. So in my ideal team of 3w3, oak and sedna wouldn't work. They are very strong late game, and pretty much impossible to kill, but they never have the lane control erebus, ub with monk support and rook with monk support does.
Counterhealing can remove the monk advantage, though, and Healing Wind 2 means Sedna's bishops are amazing. I've seen games turn around instantaneously at level 8 because of counterhealing. Add this with the fact that Oak and Sedna can both have priests, and you get something that cannot be killed. Heck, I've had games where Oak and Sedna can 2v3 and beat them off.

Again generals just work best together than with assassins, even sedna + qot if played right.

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Right, like I said, I can't really think of a decent counter that doesn't involve Sedna.

The funny thing is that Sedna is one of the least played Demigods.

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Quoting Epiphenomenon,

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Right, like I said, I can't really think of a decent counter that doesn't involve Sedna.

The funny thing is that Sedna is one of the least played Demigods.

No one likes being the healer, and even more no one likes being the seige machine.

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When i thought about i beleve that in the narrow situation for 2vs2 on cataract (this may have been in implied in op), this pair have undeniable enermy portal locking power, both are capible of getting out 2vs1 with the portals locked, erebus may be just as good at this though.

Without relitively vonerable portals, ill still stick with my first responce that sedna just does not quite cut it dps wise.

Quoting Epiphenomenon,

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Right, like I said, I can't really think of a decent counter that doesn't involve Sedna.
The funny thing is that Sedna is one of the least played Demigods.

Thats because she is not as good as the top 2 - 3 (stuggles to beet both UB and erebus from about level 7 to 8, oak is caperble all game) and noobs dont understand how to play a good sedna or consider it fun. Thus she is not often a viable choice in either compeditive or beginner play.

I dont think you quite have win rate or exp for when you say you think something is true people just belive you without any reasonable argument (this does not happend for pro players), can you explain why you think they are the best (priest healing does not cut it, with full heal and healing wind sedna does not have the pounce levels to beet a lot of erebus builds from level 7 and can deal way more dps than she has a hope of health regening by then too)?

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I'm not really asking anyone to take my word for it because I'm a pro or anything. It's just a question that I'm trying to raise. I can usually take on erebus (as long as he isn't using a Horn of Battle, otherwise I get murdered).

Also, I don't need pounce for holding the line. It's more of a pursuit or ganking ability.

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The only 'problem' that Sedna has is that she can't carry a team. If you have an elilte Erebus, Oak or UB on your team and two other mediocre/poor players you're usually fine. If you have an elite Sedna on your team and two other mediocre/poor players you're usually in deep trouble. This is mostly because she lacks a stun and AoE. If the other team gets a lead in warscore, even the best Sedna will not be able to deal with the creeps coming in because she can't kill them fast enough.

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You have to assume that the team vsing oak/sedna would take anti oak/sedna builds so there would be a large ammount of minions on the other team (oaks not the best vs hp stacked minions either).

Due to sedna and oak's lack of high damage aoe horn of battle would have little effect on a fight, 10 regen is pretty trivial in general vs general battles. Without pounce erebus can come pretty close to being able regen back all the dps that sedna can put out by about level 7 to 10 and from my expercence sedna runs out of mana first (yes bite is that good). Full regen sedna build just dont put out the dps by them selves force good builds back without a lengthy fight, the enermy has plenty to time to test whether they can beet the regen, and if not they can run without risk of dieing most of the time.

I have to say i have not seen a max dps oak paired with sedna in a while but i still dont think this would be that good.

And for holding the line to be a valid stratergy, you would really have to able to hold the line for the whole game (which sedna just can't do).

The metagame has progressed beyond sednas regen being good enough for her to be one of the best demigods (she could do with a couple of buffs).

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If the other team gets a lead in warscore, even the best Sedna will not be able to deal with the creeps coming in because she can't kill them fast enough.

We need that Yetis fixed

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AoE is a very serious concern for Sedna. I usually do have problems with AoE in the endgame, but an Oak's surge will flatten the creeps, and sometimes I occasionally a level 4 heal to kill the little stuff. If there is a strategy that could take this build down, I agree it's minion builds. If I ever get enough gp for a cheap artifact, I always get the Orb of Veiled Storms. The AoE is very helpful. I can also counter minion builds by getting minion idols of my own.

I try this strategy with PUGs against good premades and don't do too shabby with it. Take, for example, the last game I played:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1084199/player/49186/

We fed early game, but still ended up overpowering them in the endgame.

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Quoting Bobek_XY,

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If the other team gets a lead in warscore, even the best Sedna will not be able to deal with the creeps coming in because she can't kill them fast enough.
We need that Yetis fixed

shamblers come first

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Nature's Reckoning helps a sedna alot.

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shamblers come first

i agree (but they are already coming first! sort of)

Now, a little thought about yetis :

First, smth we all know: they need +HP, +dmg, less mana cost

Second: I propose that Wild swings are incorporated from the start(or from 2nd skill), so:

Yetis I/II/III/IV = +25% dmg (from wild swings)/ +50%dmg/+75%dmg/+75%dmg OR

+0%dmg/+25%dmg/+50%/+75% dmg from swings(to nearby target)

And there you go, sedna has aoe! (also they could increse a bit the aoe dmg from Heal IV)

In addition, the currently WS should be change to smth like Thick Fur: giving yetis more armor, & smth more. Or it could be called Wild Animals (smth) which gives tham that thick fur=armor , and more dmg or critical strike chance. So think about it!

Nature's Reckoning helps a sedna alot.

Yes it is. She and Oak should get it of generals(DJ), and UB & Rook assassins (it helps Rook against minion Ereb)

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What item do you sacrifice for Nature's Reckoning? I can't ever bring myself to sacrifice a health slot for it.

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Hey epiph just post that replay that me and you demolished that premade with oak and sedna than people might believe you a bit more.

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Quoting Bobek_XY,

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shamblers come first

i agree (but they are already coming first! sort off)

Did we read the same topic?

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Quoting Cowbuttzex,

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Hey epiph just post that replay that me and you demolitished that premade with oak and sedna than people might believe you a bit more.

Dammit, I forgot to save that awesome replay. Do you still have it?

Yeah, Cow and I tore up a l33t premade that had a minion Erebus while we were Oak and Sedna. We freaking 3v2'd them and drove them off at equal levels. I don't think I even used a Sigil.

Cow, please tell me you have that replay.

As of right now, I believe the optimal team setup is Rook, Sedna, and Oak.

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Currently I am away from college and my l33t lap top is back at school and I am home for the weekend. Ill check my files for it and post it if I still have it. That game was a joke, way to easy.

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omg Epi, you posted that replay?

Please don't watch it lol, during that game i had a work related phone call, my wife & kids (3yr old and 2 yr old) got home early and in-laws got here 30-45 mins early so i got distracted a number of times. i apologize to my teammates for that one lol.

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