okay so they could do 1000 dps the first 3 seconds

but they did 1500 dps the first 2 seconds

and another 1500 dps the next 2 seconds, wich made me quite dead

I probably should watch replays of things I don't understand, thx for the tip

didn't save the replay, I never do

well I'll start doing it now =P

I have =P

Anyways, the question isn't just about that game, that game just made me think about it!

Bite increases your damage received from AA quite a bit, if Minions or Towers were around as well this would account for a significant increase in damage. Spit, plus Bite and the combined efforts of LE and UB is a deadly combination in any situation, it's not surprising they were throwing around some big numbers.

Just be thankful you weren't on the receiving end of a UB, LE and Reg Combo. Spit opener, followed by Bite, following by Fowl Grasp - at which point Reg throws mines under you while stunned - and as you attempt to retreat while slowed you receive a nice Snipe to the back, followed by another Spit to make sure you die. I cried.

Should have had plenty of armor, the ereb didn't have a lot of minions, think he had like 3-4 max all the time

but the question wasn't how they did so much dmg, well it was

but the more important question is how do you behave in those fights?

we did win a few of the encounters, and we won the game

but we lost some of the encounters too

the problem is that one of us was death after 4 seconds, of wich 2 seconds you are stunned by the beast, it's really hard to counter that

ofcourse they had the same problem with us, but they didn't take as much dmg as we did

1st....bite decrease armor so u take more damage, ere can have lot of minions... so if everyone attack the same demigod u can died fast.....but if u are oak...use peni soon in battle...so u have a chance to interrupt split, bite, etc.  If ur ennemies always focus u (oak) first...use shield very soon in combat to piss them off....u will remove split+bite.

And if u dont wanna get lot of damage in 2 vs 2...use peni, run a bite....ur team mate will use split on the same demi....then...peni again and split again on the same...so one of ur ennemy will be low hp before the fight..then u engage the fight on the weaker demi.

Anyway every fight need to be take differently. Take a look on ur ennemies style and do something to counter them.

I would say the most important thing in any fight is to work out who is going to win it as soon as possible, and if this is not possible then you need to consider wether the risk is worth it (will you gain a lot from winning it or be at a rather big dissadvantage if you loose it). Then decide to retreate or fight.

Vs LE and UB with a oak no one should be dieing for least a full sheild durration (6 secs). There is little point going minions vs either of these demigods meaing that you should have sheild 3 by level 8. Not shure if its the best move ever but casting sheild will break stuns and remove all the debuffs as well as preventing damage, the will do it again 7 seconds later but you will surive the first round with high health. I have had sucess countering this pair with Oak/rook.

The main idea in any fight is to reduce you opponants hipoints to zero or force them to retreate before they do it to you (not to just stay alive or to kill them). I would think that replacing bite with peni would be able to compete with bite as is boost spit damage, then if you sheild the demigod being target you should be able to win the damage race assuming all things are equal otherwise, its not gurrenteed but you will be able to compete.

So like, does this work for entire matches too? Like, if you die first and realize you are gonna lose (Why can noone spell this right!?!), you can just rage and be at no disadvantage, because you can go stomp noobs now?  lol

DaBRUM

I second:

- focus fire : a must, all teamates focus on one target; call it out before the enagement really begins.  I also find that if you have one person calling out targets it helps avoid confusion with lack of vent

- Focus on targets that are a)squishy, b)have no easy exit plan

- If things aren't working out... retreat, regroup, go again.  Only commit if you know you can win!

Add:

-  Similar to above, try and do everything you can BEFORE the battle to gain an advantage... if that's making them use up mana, then do it (dance and get spit on a bit, take a fireball or two, etc...).  If you can hit them a bit so they take dmg first, do that too.  Always try to stack the engagement in your favour... if you can get them to fight near your tower, do it....  any little advantage can make the difference.

- Don't be afraid to run early, but COMMUNICATE IT TO YOUR TEAM.  I like to put 'b' or 'back' in chat so that others know I'm retreating... nothing loses a 2v2 or 3v3 like someone on your team making it a 1v2 or a 2v3 wihtout letting everyone know.

- Also, let ppl know when you're oom or need a heal or are calling for a snipe... general coordination stuff, but its important.

Cheers,

ThanatosESC.

P.S. keep in mind I'm by no means a great player, but the times that I've had success in those 'group battles' the above things come together nicely.

One thing about retreating, don't be afraid to turn when you get to your towers and drop one of your high dmg abilities.  Sometimes the sudden drop in health can force them to think twice about chasing you in... of course this is a plus/minus game you have to figure out, and if doing this would make you die where you would have survived, don't do it.  On the other hand if you're going to die anyways... try and go down fighting!

i play mostly PUGs and the times that I've seen this work is with one person calling out the targets.  You innevitably end up running more and being less effecient than voice, but if you have a good player calling out targets and 2 others that listen, you can be very effective. 

Changing targets mid battle ussually is pretty hard... I tend to try and either kill or at least maim to the point where they have to go back to crystal.  In the case you describe above, I would personally do one of 2 things:

1- if he starts to run right away and he's still got lots of health (i.e. no chance of killing him) everyone back off, we'll take another run at them.

2- if he stayed a bit and we can kill him or get him near or below 500, then stay on him (as long as we're not going to lose anyone) and effectively turn back just before their towers.

(1) allows you to regroup and pick another target (even if its reg again when he comes back to battle; now they've spent mana healing him or he's lower on health which works to my points of stacking the battle in your favor in my previous post). And (2) allows you to take him out of the fight, you don't get a kill, but you've created a 2v1 or a 3v2. You then re-evaluate if you can fight (usually as you're running back to your tower) and then pick a target or heal up or push a tower if they all flee...

Again, your mileage may vary, but that is my general thinking given the situation.

The point is that you should never engage in ANY fight that you can't win.  As soon as you realize you can't win, back off and try to change the situation to one that you can win.

Cheers,

ThanatosESC.