Entourage Buff Really a Buff??? » Forum Post by XaviorsFist

Quoting gkrit,

ty.... wheres the code to change demigod stats? for example if i wanted to make fireball have a longer range where would i find the these numbers to change?

i checked the characters folder in the dgdata.zip but there's nothing that says in a selected character that bite lvl 1 deals 250 dmg. can u help me lol?

dgdata\units\heroes

Once you are in the Heroes folder, you see each demigod's folder, but with different names.

For example: QoT is "HQueen" and TB is "HEMA01".

Inside each demigods folder there is a Lua file named "Demigod's name_abilities". For example TB's abilities are in file "HEMA01_Abilities".

Any questions?

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found em

now can u tell me how u would structure ur mod if u changed some stats of things? eg. file structure, how to save etc...

thanks,

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I am not sure what u mean, gkrit.

Do you mean the directories of the files and folders?

If so, then place you mod inside the "mods" folder, and keep the same directories as each file you modified.

For example if you modded the file: units\heroes\HQueen\HQueen_Abilities

then keep the same directory, only place it inside a folder named "hook".

hook is always dgdata.

Questions?

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glad you've taken to learning to be a modder, morph! Kudos to you and keep up the good work!

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ok so what u mean by hook is always dgdata?

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Quoting gkrit,

reply 30

ok so what u mean by hook is always dgdata?

Its simple:

Everything that you place inside the folder hook, is what actually makes the change. hook represents the dgdata.zip file

So just think that if a file is in the directory dgdata\units\heroes\HOak , make the same path directory, just instead of a dgdata folder, name it hook.

I cant make it any simpler

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Screw the shamblers, minion QoT is boring QoT. Buff the shield. 3 seconds cooldown. That would be fun.

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Quoting Darz4,

reply 32

Screw the shamblers, minion QoT is boring QoT. Buff the shield. 3 seconds cooldown. That would be fun.

LOL 3 seconds!!! Infinite shield!

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i finally figured out how it all works ... thx morpheas!

my mod thread is up if u wanna check it out.

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Quoting gkrit,

reply 34

i finally figured out how it all works ... thx morpheas!

my mod thread is up if u wanna check it out.

no problem. my pleasure

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Quoting morpheas768,

reply 33

Quoting Darz4, reply 32Screw the shamblers, minion QoT is boring QoT. Buff the shield. 3 seconds cooldown. That would be fun.
LOL 3 seconds!!! Infinite shield!

Not infinite shield. Shield as long as there is mana. Pros (+) and cons (-) :

Oak shield :

+ Immune to everything, including interrupts
+ Does not burn all mana
- Dont last long

QoT chain shield :

+ Lasts as long as QoT has mana
- Burns all mana
- Does not immune to anything

You answered without really thinking about it. Can happen. Making QoT a minion character is the best way to pull all originality out of her. We do not need another Erebus.

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Quoting Darz4,

reply 36

Quoting morpheas768, reply 33
Quoting Darz4, reply 32Screw the shamblers, minion QoT is boring QoT. Buff the shield. 3 seconds cooldown. That would be fun.
LOL 3 seconds!!! Infinite shield!
Not infinite shield. Shield as long as there is mana. Pros (+) and cons (-) :

Oak shield :

+ Immune to everything, including interrupts
+ Does not burn all mana
- Dont last long

QoT chain shield :

+ Lasts as long as QoT has mana
- Burns all mana
- Does not immune to anything

You answered without really thinking about it. Can happen.

Vhels + planor + cape of night+ closed forms = damn near infinite mana + 3 second cooldown shield= even in 3 on 1 pile ups, if your quick enough you can cut mulch out of the equation and never be touched.

It is already possible to escape 3 on 1 rapes with qot right now, lowers shields cool down and she may never die in the ri..... On second thought make the cooldown 2 seconds.

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brambleshield to 3 secs is a horrible idea.

and lol queen dies almost instantly to three on one unless she has gotten practically only health items and goes on amulching rampage.

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Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 37

Vhels + planor + cape of night+ closed forms = damn near infinite mana

No. I do not know how you are playing your QoT, but I am quite often out of mana with those items and even more.

Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 37

+ 3 second cooldown shield= even in 3 on 1 pile ups, if your quick enough you can cut mulch out of the equation and never be touched.

And burn all your mana. It's a longer 'invulnerability' than oak's one, but at a much higher cost. Moreover it's not invulnerability, as she can get stunned. Moreover mid game her shield takes about 2 seconds to be taken down by 3 demigods...

Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 37

It is already possible to escape 3 on 1 rapes with qot right now

Against noobs I guess.

I notice you are not considering the idea. You could have proposed 5 seconds cooldown, or higher mana cost. This is not a contest, it's a forum thread about how we could give QoT more power AND interest. Making her another minion Demigod would not give her much interest.

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Quoting lifekatana,

reply 38

brambleshield to 3 secs is a horrible idea.

and lol queen dies almost instantly to three on one unless she has gotten practically only health items and goes on amulching rampage.

Nope iv escaped plenty of 3 on 1 simply depending on mana items, botf and shield spam.

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Quoting Darz4,

reply 39

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 37
Vhels + planor + cape of night+ closed forms = damn near infinite mana
No

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 37+ 3 second cooldown shield= even in 3 on 1 pile ups, if your quick enough you can cut mulch out of the equation and never be touched.
And burn all your mana. It's a longer 'invulnerability' than oak's one, but at a much higher cost. Moreover it's not invulnerability, as she can get stunned. Moreover mid game her shield takes about 2 seconds to be taken down by 3 demigods...

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 37It is already possible to escape 3 on 1 rapes with qot right now
Against noobs I guess.

I notice you are not considering the idea. You could have proposed 5 seconds cooldown, or higher mana cost. This is not a contest, it's a forum thread about how we could give QoT more power AND interest. Making her another minion Demigod would not give her much interest.

Quoting Darz4,

reply 39

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 37
Vhels + planor + cape of night+ closed forms = damn near infinite mana
No

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 37+ 3 second cooldown shield= even in 3 on 1 pile ups, if your quick enough you can cut mulch out of the equation and never be touched.
And burn all your mana. It's a longer 'invulnerability' than oak's one, but at a much higher cost. Moreover it's not invulnerability, as she can get stunned. Moreover mid game her shield takes about 2 seconds to be taken down by 3 demigods...

First it's already spammable, unless your fighting ub, erebus, and reg on speed than the time between your shield breaking and the cooldown being up is 1-2 seconds top making it easy to be put right back up.

Second if you try to go offensively against three demigods you deserve to die.

Third the skill does not provide a invulnerability, what it provides is a borken adsorption ability.

Fourth oaks shield is mor invincibility than invulnerability.

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And another note, around level 7 if you had upgraded properly using shield barely even makes a dent in her mana unless you are trying to keep everyone shielded at the same time.

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Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 41

First it's already spammable, unless your fighting ub, erebus, and reg on speed than the time between your shield breaking and the cooldown being up is 1-2 seconds top making it easy to be put right back up.

+TB +Sedna +Oak... As I said, against nubs you can spam it, but you cannot against players who know what they are doing.

Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 41

Second if you try to go offensively against three demigods you deserve to die.

3v1 was your example.

Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 41

Third the skill does not provide a invulnerability, what it provides is a borken adsorption ability.

Fourth oaks shield is mor invincibility than invulnerability.

To me, absorbtion = no damage = invulnerability = invincibility. Let's debate over ideas, not vocabulary.

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Quoting Darz4,

reply 43

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 41First it's already spammable, unless your fighting ub, erebus, and reg on speed than the time between your shield breaking and the cooldown being up is 1-2 seconds top making it easy to be put right back up.

+TB +Sedna +Oak... As I said, against nubs you can spam it, but you cannot against players who know what they are doing.

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 41Second if you try to go offensively against three demigods you deserve to die.
3v1 was your example.

Quoting heavenlysynn, reply 41Third the skill does not provide a invulnerability, what it provides is a borken adsorption ability.
Fourth oaks shield is mor invincibility than invulnerability.

To me, absorbtion = no damage = invulnerability = invincibility. Let's debate over ideas, not vocabulary.

My example was survivng a three own one, and just because I survived doesn't mean I went into a three on one fight like I was Rocky. Even an experience player can get caught in a 3 on 1, but the difference is how you deal with the situation.

Adsorbtion = consume damage, invincibility = immune to everything, invulnerability = nuls damage.

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First of all, Oak's shield is a totally different thing than QoT's shield. Oak's shield has a much longer cooldown, but after you get Shield 3, it also makes you immune to interrupts. Oak's shield is a getaway (Shield then run, or shield then teleport), while QoT's shield is a spammable damage immunity (for a certain amount). They both do their job pretty good.

So stop comparing QoT's shield with Oak's shield, it doesnt make any sense.

Secondly, No demigod is supposed to endure 3v1 under normal circumstances. If it does happen, it means that this demi is OP, or simply playing vs bad players.

QoT should die when 3v1.

Lastly,

You answered without really thinking about it.

I dont need to think about it. If you want to give her 3 sec Cooldown on shield, then might might as well make it absorb 3000 damage to make her 100% unkillable. Your suggestion is a totally unbalanced QoT.

If you want to make a logical comparison to QoT's shield, compare it to Sedna's Heal.

- Heal has the same cooldown as shield.

- Shield is better early game, but Heal is better late game because it removes debuffs, and so it scales a little better.

- QoT's shield is an instant cast, while Heal is 0.5 sec cast and it can get interrupted with good timing and lot of luck.

- Shield lasts a few seconds, so you can shield an ally, and go to farm another lane, or go to shop. While Heal restores some HP, so sedna will have to be around to that.

- Both of them cost about the same mana (mostly)

If you want to make an arguement about Bramble Shield, at least make it so that it makes sense.

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So I will precise.

Quoting morpheas768,

reply 45

First of all, Oak's shield is a totally different thing than QoT's shield. Oak's shield has a much longer cooldown, but after you get Shield 3, it also makes you immune to interrupts. Oak's shield is a getaway (Shield then run, or shield then teleport), while QoT's shield is a spammable damage immunity (for a certain amount). They both do their job pretty good.

So stop comparing QoT's shield with Oak's shield, it doesnt make any sense.

I do not compare them because they are supposed to do the same thing, I compare them because they are both skills, and skills are part of demigods balance, which is the subject of this thread. Just as we could compare UB's Ooze with Sedna's heal, in terms of what power they bring to the team.

Quoting morpheas768,

reply 45

Secondly, No demigod is supposed to endure 3v1 under normal circumstances. If it does happen, it means that this demi is OP, or simply playing vs bad players.

QoT should die when 3v1.

I agree, and I explained why in my point of view, she is and would still be raped in 1v3.

Quoting morpheas768,

reply 45

Lastly,
I dont need to think about it. If you want to give her 3 sec Cooldown on shield, then might might as well make it absorb 3000 damage to make her 100% unkillable. Your suggestion is a totally unbalanced QoT.

My suggestion was, as you say, a suggestion. No, you did not think. You answered "LOL 3 seconds!!! Infinite shield!", but did not think about how my imbalanced idea could be fixed, for example by putting 5 seconds cooldown or increasing mana cost. As if buffing QoT's minion abilities was the only way to go.

Quoting morpheas768,

reply 45

If you want to make a logical comparison to QoT's shield, compare it to Sedna's Heal.

- Heal has the same cooldown as shield.

- Shield is better early game, but Heal is better late game because it removes debuffs, and so it scales a little better.

- QoT's shield is an instant cast, while Heal is 0.5 sec cast and it can get interrupted with good timing and lot of luck.

- Shield lasts a few seconds, so you can shield an ally, and go to farm another lane, or go to shop. While Heal restores some HP, so sedna will have to be around to that.

- Both of them cost about the same mana (mostly)

Of course we can do this comparison too. QoT's shield is as good as Sedna's heal. Those demigods are not imbalanced on those skills, but they are on others. For example : QoT does not have Pounce, and unfortunately the armor-dropping effect of Ground Spikes is not significant enough until the skill is maxed. Moreover it requires a teammate to really take benefit from it.

Instead of putting a shorter cooldown, why not increasing the value of armor lowering effect ? You see what I mean : we should reinforce what makes her special, as a support character, instead of turning her into a minion general.

Quoting morpheas768,

reply 45

If you want to make an arguement about Bramble Shield, at least make it so that it makes sense.

Does it ?

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Darz4, what is the point in Bramble Shield having a shorter cooldown?

The very few times I have played QoT, I have noticed that I can still spam Shield without interruption. I think this doesnt make any sense. If you want shorter cooldown on QoT's shield, then someone else will complain about balance and ask for Sedna to have a shorter cooldown on Heal.

You said I did not think about it. What is there to think? Its a number. And it is short. 3 seconds is nothing. it takes 3 seconds to teleport. Regulus snipe is 2 seconds. Robust Health Potion is 3 sec.

What the Hell do I need to think about it?

And i didnt say anything about minions, but instead you keep talking about them.

Anyway I have better things to do than argue about ridiculus things.

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Quoting morpheas768,

reply 47

Darz4, what is the point in Bramble Shield having a shorter cooldown?

The very few times I have played QoT, I have noticed that I can still spam Shield without interruption. I think this doesnt make any sense. If you want shorter cooldown on QoT's shield, then someone else will complain about balance and ask for Sedna to have a shorter cooldown on Heal.

Their is already a mod the get rid of sedna's heal cooldown I think.

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Quoting heavenlysynn,

reply 40

Quoting lifekatana,
reply 38
brambleshield to 3 secs is a horrible idea.

and lol queen dies almost instantly to three on one unless she has gotten practically only health items and goes on amulching rampage.Nope iv escaped plenty of 3 on 1 simply depending on mana items, botf and shield spam.

Yep same here. This is the one reason she is good.

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