I dont think much has changed, reg is gone from being weak and pretty useless (ie not compditively playerble) to a useless feeder (ie not compditively playerble) we never really had this demigod. Fire tb is pretty much the same vs top demigods though probably can out dps DA.

I dont think ice tb is hurt too much by either demigod he has to play a suport role vs top teir demigods anyway.

As far as im concerned ballance is not even close to the level it could be and large numbers of changes demigods and cirtian items would benifit both the fun and compeditive aspects of demigod. Meaningful (not just removing the completely overpowered stuff) nurfs to LE, UB (and Oak to a lesser extent) are needed so reg, queen and tb can be buffed into some useful compdetive role.

Ii think sedna and rook are good (the best) standards to ballance to, good in cirtian roles but can be beaten in these roles by a number of demigod combinations. Trying to nurf UB so it can still compete vs the current erebus (or vice versa) is just going to go nowere unless other demigods are buffed to the point that they can do almost everthing the team could want with nice interupts (and only a premptive chance to have there own ablities interupted) yes thats overstated but resonably true compared to the other demigods. Trying ballance by changing items can only go so far and will still leave ub and erebus on top.

If they weren't before, they are now.  I think Neutral is right on this one...

Maybe this is the buff for the QoT they were talking about.  Now that playing as Reg or TB is a death sentence, it means she's not the suckiest demigod anymore.  Hurray!

mine spam and snipe abuse will never be useless

TB and Reg need a stat increase (lets not forget about QoT though). ranged characters have a nice advantage and for that they need to be slightly weakened, but i think what they have now is beyond weak in regards to stats. 

When it comes to DA's apabilities and all other melee character with ranged abilities, ranged characters lose their effectiveness.
Ranged characters are weak for a reason so why should melee have such effective ranged abilites.
- Fireball does 1050 dmg at max level.
- UB does 1650 dmg with over 10 secs.
- DA can deal a hefty 1800+ dmg in 2 secs from a distance and ending up at targets feet.
Essentially UB and DA are more superior than any ranged character atm.

IMO, TB should be able to cast fireball with miminal threat/dmg. Either buff fireballs cast range/cast time or nerf UB's spit range.
I dont think however that Reg is so disadvantaged in this issue. He has MotB and mines. MotB for fleeing and Pre-prepare mines b4 a DA warps to you. but i still believe both tb and reg need buffs (give em slighltly more health regen than melee chars. there are so many ways of buffing that i dont want to make a list here).

That being said though, i think these 2 characters (reg and tb) are more 4v4, 5v5 (sometimes 3v3) contenders. The only problem with that is that this game requires VERY good internet to support such demanding transfers (upload/down). As a result, we rarely see these characters being played in 3v3 competitive games.

People in balance land read and do it.

TB and Reg are and were useless 3vs3 and down. In bigger games having one ranged char could be usefull expecially fro the aoe of the snipe support. For the rest yeah they suck. And Yes, I played this game a lot more than you thank you very much.

about tb and reg people who think that are useless cause it's a game to have FUN i'm not working here

I've seen this as well.... it was a very funny

Yea the ranged charaters do not stack up to the melee characters..

You sure fire tb looses to DA 1vs1 has about equal health more dps (fire tb should from dance), circle of fire would make up for the extra spine attack dps and no one can interput or debuff each other how does DA win that fire tb can even kite to a cirtian extent.

The point that i could have worded better, is that both fire tb and reg are not both not powerful as the rest of demigods overall and they they have almost not areas that would give them a compeditive edge over other demigods could not provide better. Teams just need to stall though to level 9 where fire tb has lost any advantage and reg is not worth it at any level.

Though i have seen ice tb (see Orcun_BL as tb) add a compditive edge (not shure if its superiour to another demigods though, but can most definatly add something tacticaly), in no way under the current meta has anyone chosing to play a fire tb or reg ever benifited there team more than going UB, LE or Oak (i may not be right about this in 4vs4 or higher). (This does assume that opposing team knows to and how to make ajustments in play style to counter the enermy team and they have made resonable demigod choices themselves.)

Assuming compditive play is playing just to win, fun is secondary, prority these builds were not playerble before the patch and niether are they afterwards. yes i supose you hurt your team more now playing tb and reg in pugs.

I guess it remains to be seen but in 3vs3 and lower DA is not Teir 1 in the current metagame UB, LE and Oak are much better than him in most situations, and would be pushing it to be better than sedna and rook as well, a good health stack and priest regen will beat DA very easily. He could be viable if he forces the enermy to play more defencivly and run from equal numbers fights that could have othewise been won. DA abilties are poor if you are not forced to reteat from the intial burst damage.

@nzac with DA late game i was doing 650 crit  and even did a 1700 crit. combo that with dodge and that fact he can null fireball with his momentary invincibility DA destroys fire or ice tb.

Additionally these 2 characters already had someone that could take them: erebus. But now there are 2 characters that can defeat them if you have both of those people on a team its over.

By level 10 MOST games are already decided. And sure reg and tb get better after 10 but not so much so that they can really stop da or erebus.

The point is that tb reg and qot are soo far down the totem poll there is no reason to even use them now. Erebus oak ub Tier 1. Rook sedna DA Tier 2. tb reg qot tier 3.

Sure a 4v4 game benefits more from a tb or reg, but in a 4v4 game the chances of there being a erebus and a da are super high.

DA and Reg are awesome together.    No joke.  It really is a tandem that needs some kind of voice, though, and specific builds for both to take advantage.  It is really too soon to write them off.