erubus vs ooze ub » Forum Post by lethstang

awuffleablehedgie

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There is very little counters to a good Ooze Beast... Sedna with Bishops can hold lanes until Catapults come in and she has to deal with getting pounded by Catapults while the Ooze beast oozes hers away.

But a pure-Ooze is very dependent on the following:

- HP flag. He needs this mroe than anyone else because he is an attrition build. Take away the HP flag and he has less attrition buffer for himself and more to go through for him. Once you get it once, keep locking it over and over and over and over. Perma-locking is expensive but worth it if it means the Beast can't be a bully to everyone on the map. That said, a good Ooze Beast will ALWAYS tele over to defend his precious HP flag.

- Keep his generals busy. If they can't send the beast Monks, then the Beast will not win the Attrition if you have monks.

- You can always just engage until he sigils, then batswarm away. Do this enough times and he'll be poor and you can then sigil yourself and push him away once you have item advantage

- Do not trade kills with him. Beast has the best gold -> effective hp transformation since he has the high armor in the game and Ooze makes him take damage even slower.

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this differs with every map.

But as cat is the most common played map i will give my strat for this map.

Ooze beast will sit on the flag to try to maintain its control. This is what you want. As assassin eribus you will have a very large mana pool and as suggested ooze beast is not about spike damage but attrittion. Therefore, use this to your advantage as eribus has the second best hp regen in the game (very hard to attrition to death). Therefore what you need to do is sit in your towers farming creeps until bite comes off cooldown, then move forward and bite beast. Bite will slow beast so he cannot follow you back to the towers damaging you. 3-4 repeats of this (bite has 7 sec cooldown so that means about 30 seconds of pre battle engagement) will leave you with full health and beast down on health by approx 2000-3000 health (provided lvl 7 of both characters). Eventually beast will either turn and run back to crystal or you can engage. Also dont forget to continously send minions at him, as this will make him need to turn ooze on and will give you free bonus damage.

Defeating ooze build is not about killing him btw, it is about making him use a large number of consumables, which in the long run will damage his build and make you the stronger demi lategame.

Remember always leave enough mana for batswarm!

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assassin erubus.

try minions

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Win the map before he reaches L15. Erebus ought to outlast an ooze UB before he gets Acclimation. Just make sure you're bringing lots of HP and Bishops once you can get them.

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maccilia minions get raped by ooze

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awuffleablehedgie

Join Date 04/2009

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"3-4 repeats of this (bite has 7 sec cooldown so that means about 30 seconds of pre battle engagement) will leave you with full health and beast down on health by approx 2000-3000 health (provided lvl 7 of both characters). Eventually beast will either turn and run back to crystal or you can engage. Also dont forget to continously send minions at him, as this will make him need to turn ooze on and will give you free bonus damage."

Pure Ooze at level 10 will have several points in stats and easily 6k hp, 7k with the HP flag. He will also have a sigil.

If you come up, bite him, over and over again. If he has a monk attached to him and priests backing him up in a wave he'll be healing 20% of his hp every 10 seconds... I'm not sure how effective bite-kiting will be.

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Yeah ooze is kinda OP, though erebus is even worse so you shouldn't complain. While he's busy attritioning you can batbitekill everyone and have sex.

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try a fireball from behind an allied teammate fighting him.

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LE is the only one who can make Ooze UB suffer, but you need a lot of mana for that. Bite -> Mist: minions do damage, get healed, u wait for cooldown -> Bite + AA -> Bite + mist. It really annoys when UB can only hit you for couple of seconds.

Mana is key for LE.

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Yeah . Mist is the way to go against Ooze .

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Bite plus mist conversion and coven and a lot of mana and a lot of minions but you need some important items.

1. Forest Band 15% chance to heal army for 250hp. you want to fight him in creep waves so 15% happens often.

2. Vlemish, Plenor, Theurgist (reduce his hp/sec and increase minions health) Mist will set this off.

3. Platemail More minion health.

4. minitors, demolishers and bishops

5. Horn of Battle offsets his ooze damage to minions.

6. Most important item Magnus Rod. Launch rod bite then mist reduced mana cost for 5 seconds. has a 15 second cooldown rinse and repeat.

Beast will not stay and fight if he fights you in your mist he is stupid. You are healing your minions with mist, Horn and forest band.

And generating new ones if you stay in creep waves.

If you can upgrade to Hungrilings ASAP from Theurgist also so you can take advantage of 25% mana cost reduction this and Magnus Rod allow you to Mist a long time.

3 Helms Hung, Vlem, Plenor and Magnus Rod = 84 Mana per second. 25% reduction in Mana = mist costs 94 Mana per second.

At level 10 you would have 5000 Mana or you could mist for 8 minutes no hp stacking beast will stay and fight your minion horde for 8 minutes without potions or going back to citadel

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Hit and run him when he is at the flag.

Bite-Thwack-retreat to tower-monk heal

He will get pushed back to his tower eventually if you aren't careless.

Later on it is even easier since you can really put a beating on him with minions after a bite, and then bat swarm to safety. LE minions are disposable.

The key is to try and not fight him for long when he isn't under the added weakness of your bite and you will always out damage UB

Of course a good UB can mitigate this, but LE should have longer staying power 1vs1 if you play him intelligently.

Also, if you are going to mist to rid yourself of spew, don't do it where he can be standing around and spew on you again.

Retreat and mist.

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Also, if you are going to mist to rid yourself of spew, don't do it where he can be standing around and spew on you again.

Retreat and mist.

I don't really need to retreat to mist. If he spit I mist right there where he stands. He will be stupid to stay and fight my minions there. that's 125 mist dps + Ooze dsp + minios dsp. when I get out of mist, if UB is still there and spit again, I just wait a few seconds and bite to heal, wait till I get a heal from my bishops, bite and mist again. LE is most effective with a lot of mana gear.

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Let me make this simple and clear:

If the UB has monk support, Assassin Ereb cannot beat an Ooze UB 1vs1.

If no monk support, bite kite could work, but it will be expensive.

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Assassin erebus can't fight Ooze UB with monk, that why I think erebus should be played sort of "hybrid", he needs some nightcrawlers (at least 1 point) + monks (+ siege IV optionally) along with both mist (at least one point) and mass charm (at least one point).

It's really hard to have a terrible build with erebus, all of his skill are worth the points u spend in them. It's just how u use the skills that makes the difference between LE players.

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Quoting Janook,

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Let me make this simple and clear:

If the UB has monk support, Assassin Ereb cannot beat an Ooze UB 1vs1.

If no monk support, bite kite could work, but it will be expensive.

Always take monk out first with nightwalkers it isn't rocket science

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Yes. Morons who just let those monks heal up lol. For the rest assasin erebus sucks so don't even bother.

Though HorseRadish that seems like a fun build although I question it's competetiness since you have no health items at all. Could you tell me how you play it?

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Why would an ooze beast stand in the mist? Just cap the flag, and walk back to towers to assist with killing all the minions, and get ready to beat ereb to a pulp when he unmists. If he never does, who cares, you got the flag.

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Quoting lifekatana,

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Yes. Morons who just let those monks heal up lol. For the rest assasin erebus sucks so don't even bother.

Though HorseRadish that seems like a fun build although I question it's competetiness since you have no health items at all. Could you tell me how you play it?

I will play anyone's beast if you want to see it's effect. That was what I do in current vs beast and is very effective. Cause he has no monks every beast will run they cant stay and fight. Is a ooze beast going to stay and fight losing hp from ooze and taking an additional 100 damage from mist. Which heals my minion horde for 50hp per second. Also remember I can carry potions and sigils also. I am not afraid of ooze beast he does no damage to me while I mist. Cause everytime you come out of mist you bite. Beast only has a 10 Second window to do damage too you before you go back to mist and that means 2 bites, He has 10 seconds to do 6000 damage don't see it happening.

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huh whats your build? Also how the fuck do your minions get healed when in mist?

How can you have 6000 hp and enough mana to mist long periods of time?

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Also how the fuck do your minions get healed when in mist?

Read the description of the ability...

maccilia minions get raped by ooze

Not until lvl 10 and w/o HoB and if you are stupid enough to play a minion + bite w/o HoB (yes even after nerf) well then don't talk about minion ereb...

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/wave at LifeK.

At level 10+, a good Oak definitely gets the upper hand 1v1 vs Ooze UB, provided you pick the fighting spot and got a sigil too. Try to move him into a lane, preferably on the enemy side of the map near a flag. Spam Penitence and SoF when the creep wave arrives, and you'll hammer him. I promise.

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Beast only has a 10 Second window to do damage too you before you go back to mist and that means 2 bites, He has 10 seconds to do 6000 damage don't see it happening.

umm.. where r u getting 6000 hp with 3 helms, forest band, platemail, and horn of battle? Looks a lot more like 5000 hp WITH hp flag AND lvl 20. You're also not going to get the hp flag anyway if you're just sitting in mist all day.. so make that 4400 or w/e it is @ lvl 20. Or a mere 2955 @ lvl 10. Or did you include the bishop and bite into your max health? In that case.. at lvl 10you would have 2955 hp and a 444 bishop heal + 2 775 bites which still comes out to just short of 5000 total.

Also.. I don't see where you're getting 8 minutes of mist from. Try it out for yourself.. 5000 mana.. hungarlings, vlemish, magnus rod, plenor, lvl 10. I activated magnus rod before misting and it took about 1:30 to go completely oom. During this time the beast can tell his teammates "hey lol.. teleport to this flag i just captured and stand on the other side of the mist" . You are pretty much dead unless your teammate can take out 2 ppl who are ~100% hp. Either way you batswarm someone is waiting, and < 3k hp goes by decently fast at lvl 10.

Also.. you might as well take out the bishops from the healing if he calls a friend in. You can't activate horn of battle while misted soo they can just take out the bishops if they want to.. but I mean.. I doubt I would if you only are going to get a 444 heal from them.

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i dont know how you get the idea you could kill ooze ub by misting. he will just leave the mist, run from your minions and kill them just by doing that... yeah he doesnt even have to fight. when some of your minions are gone he'll cap the hp flag right under your misted ass. what you gonna do now?

i mean some hybrid ub players even can fight 2vs1 and win that (after lvl10). i dont think that this build is beatable alone if the ub aint stupid.

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Yeah Ereb vs beast is not in Erebs favor unless the beasts team is greedy and won't share a priest. Luckily Ereb doesn't have to win the battle because he can batswarm away from it. If you want to push him off you'll probably need a buddy.

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