Oak Versus UB (please help!) » Forum Post by Mystagogue

awuffleablehedgie

Join Date 04/2009

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Prison is a bitch for Oak and UB's playground.

The only flag you should care about is the Gold flag. Get monks, let him spit on you then back off, get monks. If he isn't a BotS beast he will oom himself. If he is a BotS beast you can beat him 1v1 if you get Blood.

However, you have minions, he doesn't. You can be in multiple places at once. Get siege archers, sic 'em on the other side of the map. For a 550 gold investment you force him to buy regen early (600 gold), lose towers, or spend time killing them.

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see here for UB hate: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/373486

and for specific tips here: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/373893

prison is a bad map for using oak 1v1, ub will control the gold flag early game, and this will win him the game. oak is a late game hero. ub's strong early game will often be enough to ruin oak's late game.

some things in your advantage:
you have the option to purchase monk idols for healing. he has to purchase priests reinforcements if he wants early heals.
you can lock flags and tp out using shield which is uninterruptable at lvl 7, or use a 3k hp potion in a fight.
shield can be used to negate spit damage.

UB is an anti-melee demigod. Oak is a melee demigod. all in all you just got outpicked

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Don't play 1vs1. Minion him to death.

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Wpw!!! I really appreciate the feedback you guys gave. But I understand only half of it. Part of my problem is I don't know all the acronyms used on these forums - and I've not found the "guid to acronym" post that I could study. So my questions:

I understand there are different builds. I understand BotS ub is a build, but I don't know what BotS stands for (ergo, I don't know what a BotS ub is). And what does it mean "if he isn't a BotS beast, he will 'oom' himself?"

So I'm advised to "get blood." Is that a favor item? If so, I think its the one that costs about 850 favor points. Yes?

Then you gave the advice "lock flags and tp out using shield which is uninterruptable at lvl 7." Does that mean I cast shield on myself just before using a teleport?

As far as the 3k hp potion goes, I thought that was interruptable. Yes? No?

As for shield "negating spit damage," does that mean that I can't cast shield on myself *after* ub has spit on me, and stop the rest of the spit damage? If yes, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING!!!

Finally what does it mean "ub is an anti-melee demigod". Does that mean he makes everybody else want to avoid a melee attack with him?

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awuffleablehedgie

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BotS == Blade of the Serpant. It's a favor item that Beast can use to regain mana. Basically, he converts the damage he deals over 10 seconds into mana. Starting with level 2 Spit, he can spit and GAIN mana. Ooze just seals the deal.

Blood == BotF == Blood of the Fallen. +800 HP, +5 hps. Most popular favor item in the game and quite argueably the best for the vast majority of builds and situations.

oom == out of mana

A BotS beast has constant mana which means he can spit recklessly, which is great in team-matches. However, he is at a ~900 HP disadvantage to a Blood Oak AND doesn't have monks. You should be able to dominate his face 1v1.

ShakeNBake just whines about UB don't mind his jokes about him being OP/anti-melee.

Locking flags is ... not the best idea really. 1v1 locks are expensive and even if you lock the gold flag (45 seconds for 4 gps) you are spending 250 gold to guarentee that you get 180 and you enemy doesn't. Hard to justify. Locking flags is huge in 3v3+ games and powerful if done conservatively in 2v2 (lock too frequently and you'll find yourself outequipped).

However, Shield III (arguably Oaks' best ability) lets you use Health Potions, Locks, Teleports, etc with no risk. Shield III is /uninterruptable/ which means Beast can't stop you from potting or porting or locking in his face. He can grasp you, but you'll just lol and walk away.

Shield III and up removes debuffs which means that Spit will be "cleansed". If you are POSITIVE you are going to win a battle, you can shield as soon as Beast spits on you a second time. You'll negate the last few seconds of the prior spit while completely negating his second spit and his dps for 6 seconds. It's pretty nice, but an Oak without a shield is very much "at risk". So be careful about doing that.

A valuable source (if outdated) of information can be found here: demigoddb.com

A slightly uglier but more up-to-date (overall. most of the builds there are crap, don't use them) source of information can be found here: http://demigod.wikia.com/wiki/Demigod_Wiki

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If I'm playing Prison against ub, 1x1, what would be the best demigod to use?

I realize I can't "peek then choose" my demigod, but most of the pantheon matches I'm thrown into are Prison against ub. So I'd rather just assume that's what I'm up against. I'll go back to oak after I've found a way out of Prison.

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awuffleablehedgie

Join Date 04/2009

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Quoting Mystagogue,

reply 6

If I'm playing Prison against ub, 1x1, what would be the best demigod to use?

I realize I can't "peek then choose" my demigod, but most of the pantheon matches I'm thrown into are Prison against ub. So I'd rather just assume that's what I'm up against. I'll go back to oak after I've found a way out of Prison.

Erebus. Get a point in mist and you can mist off spit which basically negates everyother spit he throws at you for 300 mana a piece. Minions are free, cheap, and strong. Get a point in coven and have your 6 rolly-pollies run around the map chasing him if he leaves his towers. You get in a fight and take damage? Bite him.Your minions have probably already taken down about a quarter of his health before he has gotten to you.

You're just as fast as him and if you Overextend? Batswarm.

And you have monks. And Siege Archers.

A UB cannot beat an Erebus without Monk Support.Which he wont' have in 1v1

Sedna can also beat a UB but it requires a bit more careful play since Sedna has weaker minions (Siege Archers though, of course), and can't negate spit until level 7. Sedna is also just a weaker demigod than Erebus, overall, as well.

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Oak is incredibly strong against UB 1v1 on prison. The main thing here is to avoid him and get xp from killing creeps and capping flags. While you're dancing around the map avoiding him, put all of your minions on UB. Once your minions have whittled him down to the point you think you can take him out, push him with Oak for a kill or to have him retreat. The key here is to avoid losing battles and going back to base unless you WANT to go back. You should be out leveling the UB after lvl 5, and drastically after lvl 10 (due to surge of faith on two waves of adds).

Here's my build for a 1v1.

1. Raise Dead Ward 1

2. Soul Power 1

3. Penitence 1

4. Raise Dead Ward 2

5. Surge of Faith 1

6. Penitence 2

7. Raise Dead Ward 3

8. Penitence 3

9. Save

10. Penitence 4 / Surge of Faith 2

11. Raise Dead Ward 4

12. Shield 1

13. Shield 2

14. Shield 3

15. Surge of Faith 3

16. Divine Justice 1

17. Divine Justice 2

18. Divine Justice 3

19. Rally

20. Depends...

Yes Shield 3 comes much later in the game, however you don't need it until late game on prison 1v1. Your minions are doing the fighting for most of it, and when you engage the UB, it's on your terms. You don't need the shield to escape. You also won't be running and grabbing portal flags at level 8 on prison. A good 1v1 generally always goes past level 15, so yes, you will eventually get it. If you get destroyed before then, you fed way too much.

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Yes, but that build is pretty good in 3vs3's as well, I never understood the obsession with shields. Sure they're nice to have, but you pay dearly in pushing power.

P.S. Don't get rally you silly.

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side question: If I spot a demigod completely on the other side of the map, and send my minions to attack it, but that demigod steps "out of view" before my minions get there, what happens to my minions?

Do they continue to find him because they're just darn clever? Do they get lost? If they get lost, what do they do? Do they just stop moving, or do they continue to the last known position of the target demigod?

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awuffleablehedgie

Join Date 04/2009

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Quoting Mystagogue,

reply 10

side question: If I spot a demigod completely on the other side of the map, and send my minions to attack it, but that demigod steps "out of view" before my minions get there, what happens to my minions?

Do they continue to find him because they're just darn clever? Do they get lost? If they get lost, what do they do? Do they just stop moving, or do they continue to the last known position of the target demigod?

They follow him because they are just that damn clever. Sometimes you can have monks attacking things out of Fog of War, it's pretty hilarious.

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rofl. uhh ya nvm on that rally thing. I rarely ever got it.. and I never read the ability clearly... coulda sworn it was still when Oak kills a target not demigod >.<

so uhh.. last 2 talent points are meh.. don't get rally or shield 5 in 1v1 but other than that... w/e. Possibly last stand if you want to suicide the citadel down near the end.. otherwise that's worthless too. I think I generally put them in Soul Power 2 and 3 actually.

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Disclaimer: I am 100% sure level 1 shield will dispell a spit that is on you before you cast shield on yourself.

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Quoting Cowbuttzex,

reply 13

Disclaimer: I am 100% sure level 1 shield will dispell a spit that is on you before you cast shield on yourself.

Huh? Oak never needs to cast shield to block spit?

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What about my first purchase(s) for oak when the game begins? Lately I just purchase both of the cheapest armor items and run with it. But perhaps I should just buy one of those armors, and get siege archers right away?

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awuffleablehedgie

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Quoting Mystagogue,

reply 15

What about my first purchase(s) for oak when the game begins? Lately I just purchase both of the cheapest armor items and run with it. But perhaps I should just buy one of those armors, and get siege archers right away?

Monks. Always monks

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Quoting Mystagogue,

reply 14

Quoting Cowbuttzex,
reply 13
Disclaimer: I am 100% sure level 1 shield will dispell a spit that is on you before you cast shield on yourself.
Huh? Oak never needs to cast shield to block spit?

I was saying that if spit is on oak than you cast shield 1, shield will remove spit from oak even if shield is only rank 1.

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awuffleablehedgie

Join Date 04/2009

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Quoting Cowbuttzex,

reply 17

Quoting Mystagogue, reply 14

Quoting Cowbuttzex,
reply 13
Disclaimer: I am 100% sure level 1 shield will dispell a spit that is on you before you cast shield on yourself.
Huh? Oak never needs to cast shield to block spit?

I was saying that if spit is on oak than you cast shield 1 oak, shield will remove spit from oak even if shield is only rank 1.

yeah but if you get spit on you will take damage after your shield wears off (if you have shield I or shield II). Shield III instantly negates spit on contact.

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id like to respectfully disagree with rawrrrrr. oak will get pwned by a good ooze beast 9/10 if players are of equal skill level. you can dance around all you want, late game the beast is going to pwn you with sigils, even after you have all your gear. if you go minion oak you will get owned even harder. ive had lots of practice with this matchup in the last pantheon (generals vs assassins). ooze UB is one of the most powerful builds out there.

if you find yourself in this matchup, take earlier posters advice. whittle him down with your minions, and then beat the shit out of him once hes at half life. even then with a sigil it will be close (good ooze ubs buy stock in sigil like its a secret IPO). but if hes as good as you?

gg

ps , to the above poster we are aware thats how its supposed to work, oaks shield that is, however lvl 1 in fact dispels it. try it out.

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