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LeoBrok3n
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Reply #26 April 29, 2010 4:48:25 PM
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TB and hybrid UB are both scary to me when I play Occ.  They do so much damage  I have to find unique ways to damage them without getting in range of fireball / spit, and I usually fail  The only saving factor is that tb only beats you in nuke @ lvl 4, so until then you're g2g >.>  And UB runs out of mana pretty fast early on too, so hooray.  

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Reply #27 April 29, 2010 6:57:37 PM
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Quoting synnworld,
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Quoting LORD-ORION,
reply 23
If only TB could exploit magus rod like occ.wait, why can't he?

TB has a self targeting cooldown mana bonus spell that when combined with magnus rod allows him to burst high damage AoE skills for a gain?

Fireball is laughable... stop trying to avoid it, factor it in. Eat it, and then harm the squishy. Think of TB as a ratio of dmg output to dmg input. Output might be high, by your input is proportionally higher. Something is seriosuly wrong with this skill considering you can't get it off at max range against a closing melee demigod if he interrupts you.

If it had a little more range as the skill level went higher then it would be a serious threat, but it doesn't, so it's not.

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Reply #28 April 30, 2010 11:47:00 AM
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Hey man, go ahead and disregard Fireball. Sa'll good.

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Reply #29 April 30, 2010 1:54:44 PM
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That's right... fireball is laughable... the highest fucking instant damage ability in the game... laughable.  Then he does some aoe and if I'm playing occ, I'm down to half life now.  But I mean, half life was fun and portal was humorous, so I suppose it was "laughable".  I mean, I suppose I could fight back, but he's usually on an enemy flag, and my burst is less than his burst, and his hp is more than mine :/  Now if it's not a health AND speed stacking tb, then hooray I'll kill.  Otherwise, diaf.

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Reply #30 April 30, 2010 2:55:36 PM
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Quoting RAWRRRR,
reply 29
That's right... fireball is laughable... the highest fucking instant damage ability in the game... laughable.  Then he does some aoe and if I'm playing occ, I'm down to half life now.  But I mean, half life was fun and portal was humorous, so I suppose it was "laughable".  I mean, I suppose I could fight back, but he's usually on an enemy flag, and my burst is less than his burst, and his hp is more than mine :/  Now if it's not a health AND speed stacking tb, then hooray I'll kill.  Otherwise, diaf.
My time in game I have learned something. 3/4 of the Tbs don't stack hp, or just don't know how to use bots, 2 out of ever 5 Tb goes pure fire, 1 ot of ever 5 Tb go pure ice, and 2 out of every 5 Tb uses a hybrid. Lets not forget hp stack OC is more of a threat then hp stack TB

 

Quoting LORD-ORION,
reply 27

Quoting synnworld, reply 25


Quoting LORD-ORION,
reply 23
If only TB could exploit magus rod like occ.wait, why can't he?


TB has a self targeting cooldown mana bonus spell that when combined with magnus rod allows him to burst high damage AoE skills for a gain?

no one has figured out a way to use magus and bots to increase tbs spell compacity.

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Reply #31 April 30, 2010 3:06:21 PM
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I've seen like 4 TBs period that have ANY idea what they're doing.

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Reply #32 April 30, 2010 3:35:08 PM
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Quoting Teseer,
reply 31
I've seen like 4 TBs period that have ANY idea what they're doing.
was I one?

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Reply #33 April 30, 2010 4:08:26 PM
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Quoting synnworld,
reply 30

Lets not forget hp stack OC is more of a threat then hp stack TB

 

umm.. let's not forget I was referring to a 1v1 situation.  A fire TB can do 482 dps @ lvl 10 w/out damage items, and is 15% faster than Occ w/out speed items.  Occ can do 372 dps.  And who's going to go out of health faster or not be able to sustain his dps?  The guy who needs multiple helms to play (Occulus).

 

But I mean, your team can do anything for you.  so meh

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Reply #34 April 30, 2010 4:19:56 PM
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You know, the more I play Occ the more I think what he brings (monks, blink, a modded purge with a 20 second cd) is underwhelming compared to what TB has (interrupt, stun, auras, BOTS) for essentially the same role and playstyle. 

Don't get me wrong, he's a plenty fun, but to be really worthwhile I'd like to see something like L2-L3 Brainstorm giving 5 seconds of debuff immunity to target or similar, and either considerably higher native mana regen or less expensive abilities.

 

 

 

 

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Reply #35 April 30, 2010 4:28:38 PM
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I think both new guys for some reason have much higher mana costs for their abilities.

Lvl 10 Fireball is 540 mana.

Lvl 10 Spine Attack is 1000 mana. 460 mana for 100 more dmg and a faster cast seems a bit steep to me.

It just seemed to me they went for much higher mana costs on the new dewds

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Reply #36 April 30, 2010 5:25:01 PM
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Right, and they don't make up for it with higher health, speed, regen, or armor.  It's like the devs are saying, "yah, these guys are fun, but you are gonna have to work about 40% harder to win with them."

 

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Reply #37 April 30, 2010 5:34:27 PM
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Yeah, I was all crazy over DA till I realized the first game the stupid mana costs.

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Reply #38 April 30, 2010 7:10:52 PM
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Occulus needs his minions, so if you can destroy his minions with one sweep then he ends up being pretty useless.

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Reply #39 April 30, 2010 7:20:16 PM
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Is that what happened the game we played?

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Reply #40 April 30, 2010 8:11:47 PM
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Quoting Teseer,
reply 39
Is that what happened the game we played?

lol yes. That's why I shouldnt've been laning against you but neither could the QoT or the TB.

But that's not the easy counter. There's an even easier counter than that one.

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Reply #41 April 30, 2010 10:06:08 PM
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Yes, like I said before. Fireball him till he's a burger.

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Reply #42 April 30, 2010 10:11:38 PM
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well, occulus has higher costs w/e.. but.. his upside is that his AoE is much stronger.  When you can chain demigods and a tower  and barely get hit, that's nice.  Also, when someone sits in between the 2 side towers and let's you chain off them, that's much stronger than what tb has to offer.  

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Reply #43 April 30, 2010 10:42:37 PM
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Quoting Teseer,
reply 41
Yes, like I said before. Fireball him till he's a burger.

You'd have to do more than that if you're going with that strategy, because once he gets clerics those things would heal him off.

Anyway, even easier strategy, but I need to wait till this tournament is over and it certainly does not involve your beloved hideous TB.

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Reply #44 April 30, 2010 10:50:08 PM
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eat pots in his face? Hold flags and level up?

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Reply #45 May 1, 2010 10:33:03 AM
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Quoting GM-NinkiCZ,
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You'd have to do more than that if you're going with that strategy, because once he gets clerics those things would heal him off.

Anyway, even easier strategy, but I need to wait till this tournament is over and it certainly does not involve your beloved hideous TB.

Then it doesn't concern me, lol. I haven't really had any issues with teh Cow. Yeah, his nukes hurt, but mine hurt more, and my AoE (Chain lightning is kinda AoE, but still) doesnt require me to port TO him.

Plus, he has to be a LOT more careful with mana then I.

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Reply #46 June 22, 2010 7:56:23 PM
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Hammer slam Rook. There, it's revealed.

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Reply #47 June 23, 2010 12:03:36 AM
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Quoting OMG_NinkiCZ,
reply 40

Quoting Teseer, reply 39Is that what happened the game we played?

lol yes. That's why I shouldnt've been laning against you but neither could the QoT or the TB.

But that's not the easy counter. There's an even easier counter than that one.

Bullshit, I have gone toe to toe with Teseer's Tb with my queen before. He had a better chance of getting a full tower rook out the lane then me.

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Reply #48 July 3, 2010 11:32:14 AM
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Quoting OMG_NinkiCZ,
reply 46
Hammer slam Rook. There, it's revealed.

?

Oculus is ranged, he's just going to kite around him and chain lightning :/

Don't understand that one dude.  

The counter is Ice TB (frost nova, deep freeze and rain of ice) and Sedna (Heal and Silence).  Together they completely neutralise an enemy oculus. He can't cast skills now, and his autoattack is shit.  Enemy Oculus dies.  There, it is revealed.

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Reply #49 July 3, 2010 12:33:23 PM
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Oculus' weakness is that he has no interrupts, no stuns, and he costs a lot of mana. His only great strength is his burst damage, which is pretty substantial. Early game he has to buy two helms, so he won't have as much health as everyone else, but he'll do a lot of damage if you don't recognize him as a threat, especially in 3v3 fights.

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Reply #50 July 9, 2010 4:55:22 AM
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He only has high burst damage if he can get close to you to bounce. If he's only hitting you with chain lightning, all it does is tickle a Rook.

If you're a Rook, that is your dream come true.

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