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OMG_Splitshadow
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Reply #51 June 9, 2010 5:05:22 PM
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I love people who think like Koush. If there are two clans, a fair committee should have 50% from each ! Look at the membership for OMG compared to all the other clans. Of course the majority goes to OMG.

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Reply #52 June 9, 2010 5:05:45 PM
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Tbh, I think Zen god and Renz would be better in this then Ninki and Teseer. Zen_God understands that most of what people are saying is stupid and Renz, while I agree to some lengths that we do share common opinions (We do differ about builds), he is still more relevant then Ninki. Also, as Shane mentioned, we just can't have OMG running the show featuring boxxy, I think a way better committe panel would be:

Boxxy_Koush

Pacov

Renz

Zen_God

McShane

And maybe Zex (Or teseer, not sure).

2 Boxxies, 2 OMG's and 2 GM's.

I think this would provide a much thought out tier system, rather then us having to go through Ninki's know everything, can't do nothing approach in which he never ever backs down from a point unless it is sugar coated via a friend. Ninki has even said give the list to someone who cares, so I see no reason why he should be on it or even moderate.

Thoughts?

~Thoughts on Pacov's comments which I see after I finished posting~

Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 50

Note the tier 1 list I provided - not a single OMG member in it... isn't that strange? 

I don't think everyone would upkeep your high standards (from OMG).

Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 50

Anyway, my take is that the people that are on the committee will all vote a bit differently.  Then we get our initial list setup.  Then we have matches and people that think they have been placed incorrectly can fight it out, earn the place in the correct tier, and that's all there is to it.  I really expect that the committee should ONLY be useful for initial placement.  Anyway, I don't have the final say as it is a committee, I just think different viewpoints of experienced players is the best way to go for the list's creation instead of the same view point from a few players that regularly play together. 

I'm not sold on the idea that all OMG members (Aside from you) would vote differently...You make some valid points of course, but with the selected committee individuals I'm not sold on the idea that they will create the best viewpoints.

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Reply #53 June 9, 2010 5:14:12 PM
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Honestly, I'd be fine not being on this committee, so if me bowing out helps, I don't mind.

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Reply #54 June 9, 2010 5:26:44 PM
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I also think Pacov and Zex should be the only ones from OMG deciding on rankings. 

The committee should be Rawrr, Zen_God, Koush, Pacov and Zex. I'm ok with OMG having a greater share since there's 150 of them, but not 80% of the committee.

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Reply #55 June 9, 2010 7:15:52 PM
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Teseer should def be in there, probably the only person that will be non-bias about every decision.

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Reply #56 June 9, 2010 7:55:45 PM
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Teseer is the only person here who doesn't really hate other people for no reason

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Reply #57 June 9, 2010 8:43:51 PM
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Yeah, no shit.  Teseer is awesome, and everyone else seems to have bullshit with other people for absolutely no fucking reason other than they like to stir the pot.

That being said, this list is still an egomaniacal bullshit fest.  This is a game, especially for those of you who rage incessantly on vent.  You know who you are.

-A still supremely cranky(and semi-drunk) Taco

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Reply #58 June 9, 2010 9:53:58 PM
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Quoting OMG_Splitshadow,
reply 56
Teseer is the only person here who doesn't really hate other people for no reason

lol

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Reply #59 June 9, 2010 9:58:08 PM
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Yeah, I hate Hedge. Not for no reason though.

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Reply #60 June 9, 2010 11:41:41 PM
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Hate is a strong word Teseer.

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Reply #61 June 9, 2010 11:46:54 PM
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Strong and Accurate. 

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Reply #62 June 9, 2010 11:51:10 PM
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I refuse to believe you.

You do not have the ability to hate.

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Reply #63 June 10, 2010 12:01:14 AM
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So I guess you've never heard me rant.

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Reply #64 June 10, 2010 12:04:28 AM
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I rant like a woman. I will admit that.

But doesn't mean I hate the people I rant about.

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Reply #65 June 10, 2010 12:35:45 AM
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The list is still totally messed up just based on the games I have played today.

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Reply #66 June 10, 2010 8:22:22 AM
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Quoting OMG_NinkiCZ,
reply 64
I'm  really a woman. I will admit that.

But doesn't mean I hate the people I rant about.

 

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Reply #67 June 10, 2010 8:47:57 AM
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Good to see everyone is staying on topic.

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Reply #68 June 10, 2010 10:34:15 AM
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Quoting GM-McShane87,
reply 54
I also think Pacov and Zex should be the only ones from OMG deciding on rankings. 

The committee should be Rawrr, Zen_God, Koush, Pacov and Zex. I'm ok with OMG having a greater share since there's 150 of them, but not 80% of the committee.

This sounds somewhat reasonable as a compromise.  I still think teseer should be in the mix as he'll likely have a different view point.  I expect that generally koush/zen/rawrrrr will have similar opinions, cow will fall somewhere in between, and I will be somewhere in between.  My original suggestion for committee folks probably would have given us the least biased POV though (and then folks would have a chance to fight it out to move on up). 

Anyway, if this list is even going to be remotely worth any of our time, we just need to get it setup, then give folks who think they have been incorrectly evaluated a chance to prove otherwise quickly. 

So, I'd say to the community of folks reading this - try not to care too much about the initial placement as I'd hope you'll get a chance to move up quickly.  With the group mcshane wanted to set up the list, I think the tier 1/tier 2 list is going to be somewhat predicable.  We'll also need to decide how we will remove folks from a given tier that may have been put higher up than their actual skill is.  Any ideas on a fair way to pull that off? 

Anyway, how about rawrrr/zen/and zex post a list of who they think fits in X tiers.  I'd ask that if you aren't familiar with a specific player, please categorize them as unranked instead of just omitting their names - that should help us evaluate folks later as a committee. 

I also realize I'm personally at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to a current ranking as I've been pugging quite a bit for fun under a few aliases, so if it came down to you knuckleheads trying to put me in a lower tier, I'm reasonably confident I can make my way back up without too much effort (but I personally think tier 2 is appropriate).  That's just fine with me - but I will add that I've played with just about everyone on this list recently so I do have a pretty good idea/opinion of other players skill levels. 

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Reply #69 June 10, 2010 10:40:49 AM
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Another thought - we could get downright brutal with the placement system... for instance, when we have our challenge matches (eg someone thinks they belong in a higher tier), they can challenge a specific individual in that higher tier.   I'm not sure how we'd setup the 2v2 or 3v3 that game followed, but perhaps the result would that if the player in the higher level tier lost, he would be moved to the tier the guy that just beat him came from...

so, I challenge tier 1 and am in tier 2.  I beat guy in tier 1.  I move to tier 1.  Guy in tier 1 moves to tier 2.  And maybe we'd have a rule that whoever was challenged can only be challenged once a week (Edit) by a specific tier.  This way, a player could literally move from tier 1 all the way to unranked if he was challenged multiple times and kept losing.  Odds are a tier 1 should never lose like this to the lowest tier, but it could potentially happen if our list is silly. 

Anyway, if we do something like that, then the tier list will be constantly changing and hopefully become more and more reflective of skill.

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Reply #70 June 10, 2010 10:49:56 AM
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Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 69
Another thought - we could get downright brutal with the placement system... for instance, when we have our challenge matches (eg someone thinks they belong in a higher tier), they can challenge a specific individual in that higher tier.   I'm not sure how we'd setup the 2v2 or 3v3 that game followed, but perhaps the result would that if the player in the higher level tier lost, he would be moved to the tier the guy that just beat him came from...

so, I challenge tier 1 and am in tier 2.  I beat guy in tier 1.  I move to tier 1.  Guy in tier 1 moves to tier 2.  And maybe we'd have a rule that whoever was challenged can only be challenged once a week (Edit) by a specific tier.  This way, a player could literally move from tier 1 all the way to unranked if he was challenged multiple times and kept losing.  Odds are a tier 1 should never lose like this to the lowest tier, but it could potentially happen if our list is silly. 

Anyway, if we do something like that, then the tier list will be constantly changing and hopefully become more and more reflective of skill.


i vote for this more fun

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Reply #71 June 10, 2010 10:50:30 AM
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man you know what we need?  A ladder system!  Oh wait.. we have one of those... except it's missing like 20 rungs and it's all rotten and full of termites.

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Reply #72 June 10, 2010 11:16:15 AM
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Quoting 4Nana,
reply 71
man you know what we need?  A ladder system!  Oh wait.. we have one of those... except it's missing like 20 rungs and it's all rotten and full of termites.

howbout - Add prussian_Havok to unranked please. 

I do like the idea of king of the hill ladder - we just need a fair system for allowing the challenges I mentioned to take place.  For instance, if I'm challenging a tier 1 and it is either a 2v2 game or a 3v3 game, if I had to pick 2 tier 2's as teammates and fight against a total of 3 tier ones, that's probably not the fairest way to decide if I should replace 1 specific guy on the tier 1 list.  But how do we make it fair? 

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Koush
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Reply #73 June 10, 2010 12:03:13 PM
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Wtf are you doing with the list Howbout?


Tier 1

KalleMiX
Synnworld
THE_BRAINSTEEL
IamKira
PeterDumpTruck
RAWRRRR

KalleMix? What the hell is going on?

Tier 4
Zex
Jona__
Brandon_Varn
ABornExile

lol'd...Carry on citizen.

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Reply #74 June 10, 2010 1:18:43 PM
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Tier 1

  • Kalelsmx
  • Zen_God
  • Mcshane

Tier 2

  • Renz
  • Mith
  • RAWRRR
  • Koush
  • MAGNUS333
  • Orcun
  • Trouser
  • Pacov
  • Soccer-mom
  • ZEX
  • Jona

Tier 3

  • Atma44x
    abuggeredhedgie/awuffleablehedgie
    Karebears
    Grahf
    _illuminati_
    irek1988/never-fuk-wit-a-oak
    NinkiCZ
    Naur
    Obiwhan
    Shred_demon
    Soccer-mom
    STFNG
    Teseer (GODDAMN SO HARD TO RANK YOU)
    Thundercles
    Zoahr
    Nomilarac
  • Maxsteel
  • Celmare

Tier 4

  • Peterdumptruck
  • Prozombie
  • Brandon Varn
  • Maccilia
  • Jongalt
  • Kollecktir
  • Ogham
  • LuftBR

 

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Reply #75 June 10, 2010 1:19:15 PM
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Quoting Boxxy_Koush,
reply 73
Wtf are you doing with the list Howbout?


Tier 1

KalleMiX
Synnworld
THE_BRAINSTEEL
IamKira
PeterDumpTruck
RAWRRRR

KalleMix? What the hell is going on?

Tier 4
Zex
Jona__
Brandon_Varn
ABornExile

lol'd...Carry on citizen.

Please try to take this some what seriously.

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