Lula, you are conceded beyond reason as are most people with agendas. Normally when I am asked a question I answer it as I can … but you refuse to acknowledge my own answer preferring instead to provide my answer for me because of what, you’re innate natural reasoning or something just as meaningless … or maybe it is just because of your agenda. As you should know, I do not have an agenda … I just do not believe in your one God. The only real thing I ever needed answering was for proof that God ever existed. And you, you have given me nothing but litany after litany, parable after parable, tradition after tradition and excuse after excuse. You know the old saying “Shit only stinks when one is outside the pen”? Well you should think about it…

 You may think that “God inspired men to write down His revelations” but seemingly He forgot to teach them to read and write which would have been helpful. If you want to be taken seriously by anyone besides another moon-bat, you need to remove words like mosaic revelation, patriarchal revelation, our (meaning your) natural reason, supernatural (Divine) revelation, Sacred Tradition, Divine Tradition or Apostolic Tradition etc. out of the discussion if one is going to discuss proof of the Truth. None of these things are even remotely capable of being proven and you count on this fact for all your arguments. This is why you try to put the onus of proof in my court. You cannot prove these things ever transpired so you know damn well that I cannot disprove them. Do you know anything about psychological warfare … I wonder indeed? How about catch 22 … ditto.

Enlightenment from the mind of man through science and technology (something they didn’t have, your founders) was therefore never even considered a possibility as they wove their web for dominance of the flat world. Seemingly you are under the impression that the ‘ordinary’ tradition of Halloween as practiced today has much to do with its founding … I would say about as much as your traditions do. In the end, it all boils down to dysfunctional MAN keeping track of God, His activities and of course all the translations of His word, hahaha. Yea, the Bible is clear as a bell … it just needs a representative of the RCC to explain all the nonsense is all.
 
“A full dogmatic articulation of the canon for Roman Catholicism was not made until the Council of Trent of 1546, as until then the authority of the Scriptures was not considered to be higher than that of Sacred Tradition, papal bulls, and ecumenical councils.” … I know, God made the Catholics do this somehow or another because surely the Churches motives were pure and just, go figure. If it weren’t for Catholic dogma we might not be having this discussion at all. My fall (for lack of a better term) is the direct result of the usurping of God’s authority … by man and church for the edification of Catholicism above God’s presumed words.

of course there is.  They're digging up artifacts all over the place.  They've got coins, pottery, inscriptions all that point to the OT narratives.  And I've heard it said that only 1% of Israel has been excavated so far.  Israel is an excavator's dream.  

Archeology has confirmed the history of the OT not only in its general outline but in many details.  

For instance we have learned a great deal about the Assyrians (who took Israel captive in 722 BC) because of 26,000 tablets found in the palace of Ashurbanipal, the son of Esarhaddon who had taken the Northern Kingdom into captivity.  These tell of the many conquests of the Assyrian Empire and record with honor the cruel and violent punishments that fell to those who opposed them.  Several of these records confirm the Bible's accuracy.  Every reference in the OT to an Assyrian King has proven correct.  

In every period of the OT history we find that there is good evidence from Archeology that the Scriptures are accurate.  While many have doubted the accuracy of the Bible, time and continued research have consistently demonstrated that the Scriptures are better informed than its critics.  

After the period of the Judges the archeological evidence becomes increasingly clear that the biblical authors knew what they were talking about.  By the time of the NT the evidence for its historical reliability becomes overwhelming.  

KFC, in your ascribed manor, what supports anything from the invention of the cosmos, Adam and Eve and their children with their extreme longevity, their inability to sustain themselves in the world your one God made what … perfect. Continue this nonsense up to Noah, his family and their longevity and of course, The Ark (do you want to discuss the Ark?) I would be happy if you could show me where any of this is documented in historical or archeological or scientific records, besides you telling me this is so. The people of those barbaric times were megalomaniacs, but they weren’t stupid. They would of course use what they could of the real world in passing. So all these coins, pottery and inscriptions POINT to the OT narratives … how so??? Points to: is hardly proof of anything besides the fact that people were smart enough to actually produce things way back then. And if Israel is such a treasure trove of knowledge, why didn’t anyone do something to find out over the last thousand years … not my problem at all and simply conjecture on your part. Overwhelming for sure, but not to me. Do you even know what a preponderance of the evidence means let alone proof … I think not?

Now if I meandered into some town and they told me a mere mortal that they practice slavery, I would jump in their ‘stuff’ for their barbarianism. Why is that you might ask … well I despise slavery and any entity or organization that supports it. But your one God just tells them how to do it properly (but that is not an endorsement, hahaha) … why do you guys always make excuses for biblical atrocities is beyond me. If you are looking into the comment I made to Lula, you need to consider the fact that the clip she didn’t watch, stressed these passages and they were all spot on. Whenever you guys quote the bible or other such nonsense you pick and choose what small blurbs you find useful … but when someone quotes the bible to you (your bible), they must consider everything in the complete book … you guys are funny that way. If it takes a sinless soul to enter your paradise … I would think your Hell is going to be real crowded. Oh I forgot, you guys of the inner circles just have to ask for forgiveness and all is ok, hehehe.

So I asked you this:

and you gave me what?  

I showed you clearly in my Post 275 that we are not commanded to keep any certain day.  

What you wrote above is of course, correct.  The Apostles and early church met on the first day of the week.  The reason?  They were celebrating the resurrection which was on the first day of the week.  

There's no command in your above posting.  It's just a matter of fact.  There are commands in scripture and there are recordings of fact.  You did not give me anything substantial here outside of telling me what their habit was after the resurrection.

Again, we are not commanded anywhere in the NT to celebrate any certain day like the Jews had for their Sabbath, which was their 7th Day.  

Not based on any scripture I see.  It's church tradition which is what I've been telling you all along contradicts scripture.  Here's just another one pointed out by you to me.  

The Bible records the abrogation of the Old Covenant Mosaic laws in the "vision" of St.Peter Acts 10, in Col. 2:16 and Gal. 4:10-11, (as you have mentioned) as well as in the Council of Jerusalem Acts 15 which took place 20 years after the Apostles had changed the Jewish sabbath to Sunday and had been keeping holy "the first day of the week", "The Lord's Day". 

The NT pays special honor to Sunday although the actual word "Sunday" is not there. In 33AD, Christ rose on Sunday, and He appeared to His Apostles on Sunday. He chose the following Sunday to appear to them when St. Thomas was present. Fifty days later, Christ chose Sunday for the bestowal of the Holy Spirit upon His Church. Pentecost Sunday Acts 2. St.Peter, standing with the 11, preached Christ to the multitudes v. 41-42, "So those who received his word were baptized and there were added about 3,000 souls. 42 And they devoted themselves to the Apostles teaching and fellowship to the breaking of bread and prayers."   

"The breaking of the bread" was the special way the early Christians referred to making and distrubiting the sacrament containing the Lord's Body. (St.John 6 + St.Matt.26:26 which we've discussed many times).

So "keeping the Lord's Day" had been going on from 33AD, KFC, from Pentecost onwards, the prayers, the eucharistic communion on the first day of the week form the center of Christian worship. So the first Christians themselves observed Sunday from the very beginning. Acts 20:7, "on the first day of the week when we assembled to break bread.."

The thing is that Sunday observances supplemented rather than supplanted Saturday observance of the Sabbath during the first days of the Church. That's due to nearly all the Christians being converts from Judaism. 

When the Gentile converts came into the Chruch, communal life between them and the Jewish Christians was difficult. And that's where Romans 14 and Galations comes in.

Some of the Jewish converts continued to keep those Jewish observances including maintaining their observance of the 7th day Sabbath laws and this is probably the context of St.Paul's admonition in Romans 14:1-5 and Galatians.

This went on for a while but then there was even more difficulty that arose.

The Jewish Christians had a high regard for the ceremonies of the Old Law and it caused them to go so far as to hold, for a time, that the Gentile Christians should be circumcised, insisting that they had to become Jews before they could become Christians.  A vigorous controvery ensued and the issue was finally presented to the Apostles and other leaders, and the Council of Jerusalem was convened in 50AD.

Back to your quote of Acts 15,

The finally decree from the Council of Jerusalem is listed 3 times in Acts. Fully in vs. 19-20 and 28-29 and partially in vs. 21, 25.

The first and all important point of the decree was the freedom of Gentile Christians from the Old Law. V. 28, the formula, "For it hath seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to lay no burden upon you than these necessary things:" states the Apostles conviction that important Church decisons (that would later be called ex cathedra) were assisted by the Holy Ghost, the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity.

Verse 28 is the dogmatic part which infallibly declares that converts are free of the obligation of circumcision and of the Mosaic law but are subject to the Gospel's perennial moral teachngs on matters to do with chastity. These parts are permanent becasue it has to do with a necessary part of God's salvific will it cannot change. 

V. 29 is part disciplinary and can at some time later be changed.   

"that you abstain (fast--don't eat) from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, .."

The second element in the decree was intended to make the communal life of the Judaic and Gentile Christians less difficult and establish a bridge between them. It asks Christians of Gentile background, out of charity towards Jewish Christians,  to abstain, that is, to fast, go without eating, from the animals that have been sacrifice to idols, and from blood and from meat of animals killed by strangulation. 

So it was the Council of Jerusalem, followed by the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, which ended the priestly sacrificial services of the Jews that caused the line of demarcation between the Jewish and Christian 7th day Sabbath, which we can see was blurred for a time, to be so clearly defined, and universally accepted. 

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WHAT IS ALL THIS?

Are you giving me a bible history lesson?  Didn't I say some of this myself?  Why don't you just answer the question?  It was plain and simple.  

I asked...

you give me this long essay that doesn't have anything to do with my question. 

It's quite clear in the NT that there are commands not to murder, not to commit adultery, to not covet, to love God and love your neighbor..but there's NOTHING; not one command in the NT to worship or keep any certain day holy.  

You have yet to show me anything in spite of your many words.  You're trying to twist and turn and it's hard isn't it?  If you go by your church, it's clear.  They have mandated Sunday as a command but the bible does no such thing.  

So in all reality, you are following man, not God which is what I've been saying all along.  Psalm 118:8

It's never too late.  Look at the story of Abraham, having a child at 100 years of age or his wife at 90.  Look at Zechariah, who said "how can this be, I'm an old man?"  when he was told he would father John the Baptist.  Moses was 80 when his ministry began.  Noah was pretty old when he started building that boat.  

God is no respecter of time.  God's ways are not our ways.  He chooses those we would have cast aside.  Jesus said to keep working while it is day, because soon the night will come and you will not be able to work.  So keep on, keeping on until he takes that last breath of yours away.  

I'm having a problem posting from the last page.

I noticed a change in the format of BT's #260 comment and the last three posts.

I've asked JU to check it out.

exactly.  That's my point.  

thank you.  I'll look forward to hearing this.  

I posted:

Scripture shows the Apostles and the first Christians in the early Church kept holy the Lord's Day.

 The "first day of the week" is there and the first day of the week is Sunday, "the Lord's Day". That's there too. "

Acts 20:7 ,"And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them...." 1Cor. 16:1-2, "now concerning the collections that are made for the saints; as I given order to the churches of Galatia, so you (the church of Jerusalem) are also to do: 2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside, and store it up that he might prosper, so that the contributions need not be made when I come." The Apoc. 1:10, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day.." It happened that the Spirit of God came over St. John to make him a prophetic Seer and a preacher of the word of God, which Jesus wanted to communicate to His Church on the Lord's Day!

On a Sunday, the first day of the week, the day of Jesus' Resurrection, with the Eucharistic "Breaking of Bread" has already replaced the Jewish Sabbath (Acts. 20:7, 1Cor. 16:2).

"The Lord's Day", the day which the Chruch, ever since the Apostolic age, keeps as its holy day in place of the Jewish sabbath, because it is the day on which Jesus rose from the dead. The Resurrection made Sunday, the first day of the week, the Lord's Day, holy to believers.

Christ founded His Church which is the CC and the Church, as can be clearly seen from the Apostles, commands us to keep Sunday as the Lord's Day because Sunday Christ rose from the dead and on SUnday the Holy Ghost decended upon His Church.

In the OT, we read that God gave us the Ten Commandments and some other commands (laws)as well. In the Old Covenant laws, the celebration of a definite day, the Sabbath, had been ordered especially for the Jews, just as circumcision and bloody sacrifices had been. These  OLd Covenant laws were abrogated  upon the institution of the New Covenant.

In the OC, the Jews kept holy the the 7th day of the week, Saturday, The vital principle of the Thrid Commandment was not the specific day, but that one day out of the 7 should be devoted to the worship of God the Creator.  

In the New Covenant Christ delegated His authority to the Church, His Living Voice. You may not read Scripture and bleive it this way, but that's what is. Just as it remained for the Jewish priesthood to determine their Sabbath, it remained then for the Church of which the Apostles were the Magisterium, to indicate the day.

Scripture attests the Apostles DID just that. The Chruch at the time of the Apostles observed the first day of the week, Sunday, in honor of the Resurrection and Pentecost. In the same way the Apostles in the early Church caused circumcision and bloody sacrifices to make way for Baptism and the Sacrifice of the Mass.

In the New Covenant, just as the Apostle's had done, Catholics keep Holy the first day of the week, Sunday. It's called the Lord's Day. St.Paul refers twice to its observance. Acts 20:7 and 1Cor. 16:2.

You are a true Protestant...still following the Protesting tradition...you PROTEST everything Catholic.