Nothing = nothing … no proof at all is needed to prove it. Therefore, when you are asking me to prove god doesn’t exist (nothing?) … you are in effect asking me to first prove for you that god exists, in order to afford me the chance to disprove it, which of course couldn’t be done then because I would have already proved his existence. Simply put, I can support those things I believe in and I cannot those things that I don’t believe in (self-explanatory?) or that someone else believes in. I don’t know about you, but I just do not have the time or inclination to try and justify nothing when I have so much trouble just trying to justify what I do believe in??? Sorry Lula, turned nothing around here. They still teach logic in religious schools don’t they?

Lula, it is not a matter of understanding ...  it is just a matter of acknowledging and accepting the facts such as they are. You know that there is nothing I can say to you unless it comes from your archives ... because you will believe nothing else, so if there is some point here, I do not see it, sorry

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Saying "nothing equals nothing" does not satisfy nor end the question of proving your belief that denies the existence of Almighty God. Sorry, it just doesn't.

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Let's be clear, contemporary technology has provided no such thing. Contemporary man, such as Robert Gilman, who believe in pseudo scientific evolution theory, has however.

In another blog you explained:

Whenever I reference ‘The Human Story’, all reference point to the factual evolution of humanity....... Things like this Robert Gilman - The Human Story - Our bodies contain ancient hydrogen formed in the first moments of the universe. Our carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and all the other heavy elements in our bodies, are the gift of supernova stars. Our cells have been perfected by the patient workings of countless bacteria through billions of years, and our organs are the gift of thousands of species that evolved during the past billion years. Our bodies are, in a sense, simply a regrouping of very ancient materials …Etc.

Evolutionists have provided a genealogy evolutionary formula for making the universe: Stellar evolution which is based on the concept that nothing can explode and produce the universe.

Nothing + nothing = 2 elements + time = 92 natural elements + time = all physical laws and a completely structured universe of galaxies, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order.

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No, it wasn't contention on my part. The point is that in all discussions words and their meanings matter and it was interesting  to me that you think of lying and murder as "concepts". That's all!

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I didn't actually quote St. Thomas Aquinas, rather I just tried to express his thought. If I did not succeed the fault is all mine.  

I am familiar with St. Thomas' classic formulation in what are called "The Five Ways"....the argument from motion, from effecient cause, from possibility and necessity, from graduation to be found in things, and from governance of the world.

If proof is necessary, the responsibility falls on the shoulders of the believers … not the unbelievers??? You know I do not like to do religion … Brainwashing in my dictionary … to impose a set of usually political or religious beliefs on somebody by the use of various coercive methods of indoctrination, including destruction of the victim's prior beliefs … sounds like anything besides free will ... but it does sound like religion.

 First by religion, I mean the acknowledgment of the created to His Creator and all that acknowledgment involves as the worship of God that is His due, acceptance of the truths He has revealed, and obedience to the laws He has set forth.  This religion can only be Catholicism.

Look around at the world ....it's in turmoil...individuals, families, society, nations are all in turmoil. It's a sick world bent in destruction.  Why? I'd say because so much of humanity created by God and for Himself has disowned Him and gone over into materialism and irreligion. 

Fr. Dudley writes in his book, "A world without religion is a world without God and a world without God is a world without God's moral law and a world without God's moral law is a rudderless ship drifting helplessly toward the rocks and its doom.....".

Yet, when there is a catastrophe, they appeal to God and to religion. This is when they admit that only religion can reprieve the world from the catastrophe of materialism's making.

RogueCaptain – I agree wholeheartedly, your choice – my choice. I do not like to discuss religious matters and I do not do theology because … well it seems self-explanatory to me, go figure? "…the chances are it is in your best interests", humm … I do not gamble for a reason and the word chance is a big part of it.

Me too.

Egads! I just saw this and cannot let it pass by without further comment.

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The so called believers have provided proof of the existence of the One God and our certainity of His existence comes by the natural light of reason. I listed 5 proofs in #19 but they are not necessarily the result of scientific proof so you reject them out of hand.

Well, here I go again because it's worth repeating.

The Church teaches that God can be known from created things. The mind of man rises from nature to nature's Origin and Source or Cause. The Universe points clearly to a One God as the First Cause, the Designer, Supreme Lawgiver, Origin of life and Ultimate Good. 

The belief in the existence of God comes from universal reasoning...that is the general consent of all peoples  from the beginning of the world. Believing in God seems to be the natural condition or intuition. The truth is in possession. People do not have to persuade themselves that there is a ONe God. They have to try to persuade themselves there is no God. ANd yet, no one yet who has attained to such a temporary persuasion has been able to find a valid reason for it. In short, men do not grow into the idea of a One God, rather they endeavor to grow out of it. 

Then there is proof from conscience and what is conscience? It is the human mind making a practical judgment upon the morality of our every thought, word and deed. It commands us with decision: This is right; do it. This is wrong; avoid it. And we feel at once an imperative call upon our obedience. There exists within us a strange, mysterious power which is constantly comparing all our actions with an absolute standard of right and wrong, and condemning them without appeal when they go counter to its ordering. Conscience speaks of a necessary duty that we owe. It brings us face to face with an obligatory law whose commands are authoritative, and whose dictates are final and unquestioned. 

Law implies a lawgiver. A command always implies a superior who issues the command. Who can this final, absolute, supreme Authority be, save Almighty God, the original Source of all morality, the ONe Perfect Arbiter of right and wrong? Conscience is merely His voice written in our heart. 

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How does contemporary technology or Atheism explain our conscience?

lulapilgrim – We both know what materialism is but I think you would sway more if you wore a brown robe and sat on your ass (hehehe) and preach the evils of materialism down the hills and vales of DC.

I presume you have some guide telling you how practical, practical can be and when excessive material developments, are developed enough …? I would agree that there is no use for materialism in your mythological theological utopia … last I checked we both live and breathe in the physical material world. The only problem I see is materialistic advancement to a degree where biblical anomalies (among many other things we thought we understood) can actually be properly investigated … not my problem.

I didn’t know about any mass religious conversions so I will have to pass here. I guess I could just say that it is amazing what fear can make people do … it is how the USG controls its restless populace, to sway direction. But, people eventually crawl out from under their fear and start thinking rationally again.

A-Political … A-Theist … I get it … so why is it so easy (believe me it isn’t, really) to accept that one has no interest in or association with politics … then find it so difficult (believe me it is, really) to accept that one has no interest in or association with religion? It just seems so straight forward to me is all? By your definition, I guess that makes me a practical atheist as “living as if the One God were not.” Is correct … so what?

I am empathic with your frustrations, but you are your own worst enemy. I do not think many even have a fundamental grasp of the all-encompassing restrictions “FAITH” places on the human spirit.

For sure. In one way or another, I have been politically active almost all my adult life.  I know who my congressmen are and they know who I am. 

Since I'm Catholic my main guide is the Church. I like to read the works of Catholic thinkers. One such is Fr. Dudley whom I mentioned on your Farenheit blog after you made this comment:

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I replied: This is true however, it's not only politics that bespeaks of strife, criminality, lies, deceit. etc.

Fr. Owen Francis Dudley's (1882-1952) book, "YOU and thousands like you" is a very good and profitable read. He looks at life in the atomic era and sees the world bent on destruction. The following are his ideas and I have to agree.

The present ordering of the world is materialistic and the supreme acheivement of materialsim is the nuclear bomb. We are sliding toward a suicidal end and no government, no policy or military power, in fact there is nothing in the present materialistic ordering to avert final catastrophe.

People aren't made just to exist but to live, truly live to what the US Constitution calls pursuit of happiness.  To me, this happiness is in the end eternal happiness. 

You see a homosexual and you place them into that circle then pretend they are attacking the church, even though you know that homosexuality persist in the ranks of the church leaders. I do not think many see homosexuality as anything beyond some perversion or another … they are not a threat to you except you want everyone on one side of the fence or the other and this is not in your best interests. Everyone is not attacking the church … they mostly want to go their own way. But you perceive this as some dastardly scheme or other.  It is no different than politics, the neocons control the right and the neolibs control the left … but most Americans fall in the middle and have little control over the extremists. Same with religion I’m sad to say. You move the middle from the middle else you are one of the extremists with zero tolerance for anything else …