You are not being singled out. The questions I posed are the same types of questions I ask myself and are being posed to anyone who reads the post. I do not expect much of anything from anybody else. We live in a relatively free country and I do not seek to impose any restrictions on those freedoms and do not seek to impose any of my beliefs on others. However people need to realize that when we have as a whole made choices that cause us to rely so much on oil from foreign sources then there are consequences and sometimes those consequences include going to war to increase oil supplies.

What exactly do you think our National Security Interests in the Middle East are? Desert sands and palm trees?

No. You think the truth lies somewhere other than where I believe it lies.

When did I say "steal" everyone's oil? Looks like the Iraqi government is in control of their countries oil resources. In the article it shows which companies are being awarded the contracts to build out the infrastructure. But with contracts at 2 to 4 dollars per barrel in a market when oil is about 100 dollars/barrel look like most of the money stays in Iraq. Is that stealing or actually opening up markets like I said earlier?

You may not think so and I don't think it is a good reason but its not about what you or I think. It is about what others thought and did. I don't think war is a good solution. I am not trying to justify the war just showing what the problem is and what others have done and may continue to do if we don't as a country try to solve it a different way. We have been told that our reliance on foreign oil sources is a national security issue and an economic issue. It is no joke. It is a big problem and if we don't fix it peacefully it may get fixed more and more aggressively.

How is ensuring free market oil supplies not in your best interest as well? How large a percentage of your budget and the cost of the goods you buy would you like transportation to be? So is this a question concerning the needs of the USG or one of the interests of its citizens?

I don't and never have. If I did I wouldn't come to such conclusions would I? They said it was about WMD's so I am certainly not giving them the benefit of the doubt am I?

Because people who make decisions at the level for which the topic of this thread is about do not make those decisions based on what individuals  think is morally "right or wrong" they make them based on what they believe is in the best interests of this country. The results may not accomplish that in the long run but only time will tell.

No its reality.

No I already know your point A and B are different from my Point A and B. I simply do not accept your theory and you have given me no information that leads me to believe otherwise.

Your theory that the questions you cannot answer about 9/11 can be answered by what actions followed.

It is what led up to the incident that answers many of them and many will never be explained because the forensics are gone and the incident happened in an uncontrolled environment which cannot be reproduced.

What happened after 9/11 is simply a matter of how the event was exploited by the government to achieve foreign policy objectives that were already in place. The policy objective of regime change in Iraq for example was put in place during the Clinton Administration.  

You posted a list of things that you cannot explain about the way in which the buildings fell. Then you keep going back to getting from Point A to B.

If you don't have any ideas of what may have happened then maybe you don't have a theory, but thinking that they couldn't do it alone is obviously a theory is it not? Who exactly do you think helped them? Since their motive is to get US influence out of the region do you not think that those who provided such assistance would be groups who agree with the motive and not people who think otherwise?

It was policy that was passed by an act of congress and  signed by Clinton. So you may think it is a fabrication however all that shows is how little you know about the history of the subject matter.

Hint:Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

Not everything. We are dealing with putting together a series of events and facts (while trying to weed out the misinformation), to see how they may or may not relate to each other. I would call that theory.

There is nothing farfetched about it. It is simply information that leads to what is now more than likely a dead end for the reasons which I have stated in prior posts. It is motives that often lead to "Who done it" when the crime scene is swept clean. Now as far as who probably wasn't involved I would say the potential for "leaks" and consequences of such things is something very important to consider.

I am not baiting at all, I assure you of that. I have simply stated questions which are meant as food for thought. You do not believe what others say nor do I expect you too. I do not take anything I hear for granted myself particularly when it comes out of the mouths of politicians. Questions are posed so that you don't have to take what I say for granted. It was meant to make you think for yourself about who may or may not be more likely to have participated in one way or another in the attack. 

It is much more than speculation. I would call it fear-mongering.

Is it obvious? The Taliban at least sheltered Al Queda so one would think maybe what you think is obvious is indeed quite the contrary. Do I think they were the only ones? Probably not. Do I think it is more likely than not that if a government was involved it would be a foreign government? I'll leave that up to you to speculate in case you think that is obvious as well.

So maybe you shouldn't think what goes through others minds is so obvious because all you may end up proving is that you are obviously wrong.

As did nearly every politician not named Ron Paul.  Wish I had a nickel for every time some pol was quoted trashing 41 for 'not finishing the job'.  So what's your point?

No point Daiwa … I now know better than to try and get any points by you hahaha.

I can't answer how good because I personally think it was a bad decision and we are going to end up isolated in the world because of many of the decisions that have been made. If I want to analyze what the USG does it is all about motive not morals. Keep in mind globally it is not about oil it is about economic dominance, and in Iraq it is not all about Iraqi oil. In the middle east for example there is always the balance of power and influence amongst the various countries there. In the first Gulf War we were protecting the flow of Kuwaiti oil supplies. So when you look at the recent action it is not only or predominantly about Iraqi oil. There is also the balance of power and influence in the region. I think the war will end up being a bad decision because now we have a situation which could foster a civil war within Iraq and also, because the war was so poorly executed. we wound up with Iran gaining more and more influence within Iraq and hence it made Iran a bigger problem than it was.

That is the opinion of a single pilot. What about all the other pilots in the world? Who's is to say what he is saying is even true? You can plug a set of coordinates into the autopilot and it will bring the plane right to the destination. Commercial airliners can even be landed these days using automation so the entire video clip is easily disputed.

You offered up someone else's opinion. Watch the clip again again. It's the guys opinion.  It is easily thrown in the trash just by knowing how an autopilot system works. Have you ever used an automobile GPS system? They are accurate enough to plot you within the width of a road. There are even more accurate units called differential GPS.

Your accepting the mans information without doing any background research. Can you prove the planes were exceeding the G-Force he espoused or doing maneuvers they weren't designed for or are you simply taking his word for it because he says he is a pilot? Did the planes do such maneuvers? There is no film evidence of such things. Did you look for information about the actual blackbox data to confirm that this guy isn't just spouting BS out of his butt?

You take things too personally. I was commenting about the posted clip and then asked questions? Asking questions is asking questions not making accusations.

If you think disagreement is disrespect than you're best not to explain anything.

Smoothseas, in your patriotic fervor, you seem to be willing to give the 9/11 miscreants TBOTD (why???) but you harangue the American pilots who do have the knowledge and experience … why again, just for an argument? I am looking for answers from you as the ‘questions’ you ‘ask’ do not appear sincere. Oh I forgot hahaha, they had “The Autopilot(s)” so they didn’t need to know what they were doing … now I understand???

This is not at all how I wanted this thread to progress … but that’s life I suppose. When I first started this article, I had it firmly in my mind that the Muslims could not have accomplished all they were credited with alone (and still am) … there are just too many different problem areas. And because of that, my approach was never intended to support the official USG view and in truth, they don’t seem to want or need my blessings. We can sit and argue back and forth on every issue individually and accomplish just what we have … nothing of consequence. The gist was supposed to be that there are just too many problem areas as evidenced from an after the fact evaluation of the main points of contention. It is no one thing that makes this conspiracy different from most others.

I am convinced I have the “go to the moon or not” theory locked up now (I know!!!) … but that all hinged on just one thing … did we get there or not? 9/11 theory is dependent on many more questionable fronts. Any one front should be convincing (on-its-own) but the big picture doesn’t even develop until you look at the scope and the multitude of problems.

It is not just ‘the buildings fell ‘improperly’, ‘the dust particles are too small’, ‘the open doorway’ to NYC (American) skies, the ‘inadequate pilot training and experience’, the FACT that no other buildings ever collapsed in this manor, the obvious USG cover-ups and their disinformation and not just withholding the truth but altering it. It’s not just the fluky stuff like finding an undamaged passport at ground zero right after being told that the fire was so intense that it totally destroyed all the titanium parts of the plane (???). It is not just the relationship the USG has with Saudi Arabia, the hatred our government has for third world countries and in particular (now anyway) the Middle East, our addiction to oil and where that oil is located, our strategic malevolent desire to control everything and everyone in the world or the inability of our “chosen” enemies” to even defend themselves from American aggression and domination. This is a short compilation of problem areas off the top of my head … there is much more.

It always amazes me when I chat with people who seem to hate and despise the actions of the USG (check the like them polls) and spend much of their time badmouthing the USG and their other decision making skills … but change the subject to 9/11 and miraculously the USG somehow became truthful for the first time in decades, hahaha. This is just like a theology debate where the USG is divinely right and everyone else has to prove everything while the USG just has to open its perpetually mouth and speakith (this instance only of course) and nothing besides the flowery truth follows. I can handle this warped sense of USG excellence (hahaha) but it is the next part that is problematical. They (and their adherents) will not entertain any other ‘opinion’ period … WHY??? If I bring in someone controversial like Moore, the attack is always against the messenger and not the message … a sign of lower intelligence I might add. If I bring in an expert, well it is ‘just not allowed’ and it is off after the messenger once again. And of course, my opinions are right in the gutter with the rest of the conspirators (which is a misnomer in itself) lies rest.

myfist0 HELP … I just cannot do stupidity indefinitely???