Fahrenheit 9/11

BoobzTwo

Join Date 02/2004

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Fahrenheit 9/11

… the movie – 2004 – By Michael Moore

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I must confess that I actually thought I hated this man and everything he was about until I started experiencing an overload of inaccurate and fictitious information the USG keeps pounding out and calling it the truth … so I decided to try an independent review of what I thought I knew and didn’t really. So I never watched or read anything Moore was involved with but I was more than willing to tell you how screwed up he was. So I rented the movie from Netflix and watched it … and I was amazed.

I have watched it twice now and I cannot find one shred of much information that is not factual or accurate. Beyond some idiosyncrasies in his sense of humor (they are funny); he presents very valid arguments and backs them up with documentation and interviews. He brings to light many of the things I have discovered in my own research into deceit, terrorism and the USG.

When I was a liberal (before I knew better) the only accurate information had to come from another liberal else it was a lie??? Later when I made my second mistake and became a conservative I learned the error of my ways … the truth could only be had from like ilk … so imagine my confusion when I called the neolibs and neocons for what they are and went independent. Suddenly, I have no source of valid information at all now (seemingly hehehe). I have had no success at all trying to walk the moderate tightrope between all the sharks without one side or the other dragging me down, go figure.

As far as Democrats/Republicans are concerned, their only care about the independent majority is how many they can acquire each election. But no matter which side is the best recruiter or who gets most independent votes … matters that concern the moderates will largely be ignored or sidelined and the neo-politicians will go their own course virtually unrestricted and completely unaccountable.

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Quoting lulapilgrim,

reply 194

Genesis informs us of the who and the why, but not the when and how of Creation.

Nitpick- Genesis does give the "how"; i.e. God did it. And in the case of the Bible, that is indeed a legimitate explanation.

Quoting BoobzTwo,

reply 200

At the speed of light, it will take 100,000 years just to cross our galaxy and the closest galaxy would take 2,000,000 years to get there … so don’t expect much empirical data for a while. We have to discover a different way or technology or we are on a slow learning curve for sure. We aren’t even close to light speed … yet.

Nitpick: we will never be capable of traveling at c. This, however, does not exclude traveling at near-c, or >c velocities.

As such, crossing the galaxy (straightline, edge-to-edge), would take 101,010.101 years at a velocity of 0.99c. Sadly, traveling at near-c velocities (as in above 0.5c) is excessively difficult, as it is mass-prohibitive to carry the reaction mass and fuel necessary to accelerate up to, and decelerate down from (you did plan on stopping at the end, didn't you?) such velocities.

Fun fact: even though from the perspective of Earth, a transgalactic edge-to-edge journey would take ~101,010 years, only ~14,226.8 years will pass for the intrepid humans aboard the ship.

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Worst forum eva for staying ON TOPIC.

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ElanaAhova

Join Date 09/2008

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This thread has a topic?

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Quoting myfist0,

reply 202

Worst forum eva for staying ON TOPIC.

This thread was posted in a subforum that is part of the OFF-TOPIC forum. Herp-derp, it's supposed to be off-topic.

Quoting ElanaAhova,

reply 203

This thread has a topic?

Exactly.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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Previously when i refereed to the universe being 'infinite' i was talking about open space, not matter. Since i am coming from my original idea on the location within infinity paradox. Location specifically refers to matter, any matter, planets, galaxies, whatever, because any matter that exists, has to have a location, a location within infinity, which is impossible!

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Quoting myfist0,

reply 202

Worst forum eva for staying ON TOPIC.

It has been my unfortunate displeasure to experience this on just about all my articles. I have always tried to answer posts made on my OP's as long as there was some indication of actual intelligence there. I do not understand why they don't write their own off topic posts but most seem to think differently, go figure.

For your consideration - I cannot understand why people are so reluctant to rethink their position based on evidence that of necessity had to take years to accumulate? Anyway, I didn’t remember that SEC had stored ~3500 files related to Wall Street fraud investigations in Wt-7. Who knows what documentation the IRS and CIA etcetera needed to lose? When I first saw the towers fall, I knew there was something wrong. I thought this was interesting.

Galileo’s Law of falling bodies     Distance Ft = 16.08 Ft *sec2
     Free fall   =   1362 Ft/16.08 Ft=84.7 sec2 = 9.2 seconds.
                                  Actual fall time             10.1 seconds.

There are many good references in this YouTube …
911 Loose Change (full-length) http://youtu.be/7E3oIbO0AWE Rating – Good = 24,247 (87%) Bad = 3709 (13%)

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Quoting Mystikmind,

reply 205

Reply #205
Mystikmind

OH well ... You have a strange way of viewing infinity? Let the idiots fight that one out because there is no answer right now. Everything in the universe has a specific location relative to everything else. And there is nothing odd about Earthlings making the Earth the center of things ... because it is for us … it is just the only view we have is all. But the reality is … Earth is a grain of sand in the bigger scheme of the Universe. You don’t have to understand the infinity part, common sense will do.

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Ive only read the last few post. The universe is finite, it is expanding, and it's also mostly flat. Open space beyond matter and energy of our universe is not infinity, its nothing. Nothing and infinity are not the same thing.

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Quoting Whiskey144,

reply 204

This thread was posted in a subforum that is part of the OFF-TOPIC forum. Herp-derp, it's supposed to be off-topic.

Am I just doomed to suffer this nonsense??? I posted this under "movies and TV" well because it was a movie, of all things. You are a big part of that nonsense herein and you know it, shame on you. Off topic does not mean you may do whatever you want to disrupt things because … that is called hijacking. Off topic refers to the topic matter, silly boy. And the topic matter herein is 9/11.

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Quoting Lord Xia,

reply 208

Nice try there. You may postulate the nether reigns as I am sure there are many equations to help there. We can prove nothing beyond our technical and intellectual abilities. At present, this is not within our power. Now as hard as it is to discuss infinity and beyond … I pity you if you try to describe nothing here on JU … good luck there.

PS - I know this is strange but we are actually discussing 9/11. I know ... couldn't prove it much from the posts, sorry (NMF).

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I think that they are all holding there hands tightly over there ears singing LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA very loudly.

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Quoting BoobzTwo,

reply 209

*sigh* You know, I can find at least three problems with this post:

1. Movies & TV is a subforum of Off-Topic. You act like it's not.

2. My post was in jest, and making a joke about the fact that the Movies & TV section is a subforum of Off-Topic, and is thus destined to go off-topic. It's not nonsense, it's a fucking joke.

3. You fail at basic comprehension.

On a side note, the whole "silly boy" bit is quite probably one of the worst things I've been called on the internet, and I've been called some really nasty things. I take great offense to that comment. Of all things, I should be calling you "silly girl", because of your excessively stupid position of "you disagree with me, so you're a simpleton".

Quoting myfist0,

reply 211

I think that they are all holding there hands tightly over there ears singing LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA very loudly.

Or maybe the thread semi-died, someone brought up something completely unrelated, and a discussion revolving around that subject sprang up. I was under the impression that the whole 9/11 topic had more-or-less died, and the thread was effectively open for hijacking. Not that I'd hijack it, mind. I'd simply busy myself in other threads, because I'd not want to have this thread associated with whatever I was discussing, to avoid confusion.

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Quoting BoobzTwo,

reply 210

Here you fail at observation. Lord Xia is not posting from JoeUser. Get this straight BT, the Off-Topic forum, of which Movies & TV is a subforum, is accessible across all Stardock sites. That means the SoaSE, E:WoM, GalCiv2, and JoeUser sites all have access to the OTF, among others.

In the same way, I'm not posting from JoeUser, I'm posting from the SoaSE forums.

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This thread has devolved into a giant mess. I will now take a few minutes to point out the mistakes in BoobzTwo's analysis of Michael Moore's "documentary". However, I am not getting involved in the hornet's nest of a debate on the universe.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Michael Moore makes so many mistakes and/or inaccurate interpretations of the facts, at least fifty-nine of them, that it should in no way, shape, or form be taken as factual. Michael Moore misrepresents his own position on the war and where he himself is from, flatly refuses to show any footage of Iraqi military causalities when they far out weigh the civilian ones, and disrespects the United States military, that fights everyday to keep the United States of America safe, by showing a military funeral and a military amputee without the consent of the family and soldier, respectively, that any credibility he had was lost in his "lies, deceit, creating mistrust."

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Wow... this thread is alive still... I'm surprised something hasn't sunk it yet...

PRO-TIP:

Stop posting in the thread, if BoobzTwo's keeps posting here when no one is posting... then that means they're barking mad and is only posting this to get attention.

pretty much... ignore the village idiot cause it won't get any better or worse.

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Quoting Whiskey144,

reply 212

On a side note, the whole "silly boy" bit is quite probably one of the worst things I've been called on the internet

Obviously this is true though because you have used a most of them against me and others, yourself. I know silly schoolboy, hehehe ... glad to see rocket science at work though, off topic my arse ... HIJACK! I do not care where they list this thread ... any moron can see that it is about 9/11 starting with the movie ... how old did you say you were?

PS - I know this is strange but we are actually discussing 9/11. I know ... couldn't prove it much from the posts, sorry (NMF).

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Quoting myfist0,

reply 211

I think that they are all holding there hands tightly over there ears singing LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA very loudly.

It just defies logic to me. It didn't take very long to realize I had picked the wrong movie, but it was never intended to go this route. It is amazing that people like Zeta1127 point out the 59 presumed errors but ignores the what, 59 things that are spot on, go figure. I too have read the list and can refute many out of hand but to what purpose?

I agree with much you have said ... sadly most are prone to attack Moore and his warped mannerisms and refuse to comment on anything else, go figure. I had just seen the movie (took me 7 years to force myself to review it) and found many things that collaborated what I already believed to be true. It would seem as though most waste their time with personal attacks touting all kinds of facts which they obviously don’t have … and flippantly disregard the lies and deceit of someone who has virtually brought destruction upon America itself, like Bush, is ridiculous. So as long as they are attacking the messengers and not justifying the official story itself, I know we have already won the battle as are they are in full damage control mode. When they can no longer pretend to believe the unbelievable … they attack the messengers ... neo-politics.

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Quoting EternalRequiem,

reply 214

Stop posting in the thread, if BoobzTwo's keeps posting here when no one is posting... then that means they're barking mad and is only posting this to get attention. pretty much... ignore the village idiot cause it won't get any better or worse.

... well ... you still here?

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Quoting Zeta1127,

reply 213

Reply #213 Zeta1127

Moore is a pathetic person IMO with the typical Hollywood flair for the ridiculous, but that is what he is … an actor (some idiots opinion)touting his rhetoric. And anyone who reviews this type of movie expecting there would be nothing controversial in it ... go figure. If we can stop pretending that Moore himself is some kind of unbiased patriot, maybe we could start talking about the actual USG byline and the people who actually have control. If one is want to compare Moore with Bush … then common sense has left the building.

Quoting Zeta1127,

reply 213

I am not getting involved in the hornet's nest of a debate on the universe.

There is no hornets nest if one actually wants to discuss the universe instead of telling everyone what is what, go figure. Of course this is not the place for it.

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Looking through the google list of Moore’s inaccuracies, I ran across this and found it to be a much better review of the Movie itself. Personally, I don’t care for Moore or his idiosyncrasies, but then I do not seek the truth from any elitist or politician, but that doesn’t mean the whole movie is trash talk. Maybe if one would look at the movie for whatever is accurate instead, we might not spend so much time pretending to believe the ridiculous and the obvious manipulations, just a thought. But the government understands that all they have to do is boisterously repeat the lies long enough and many will believe them to be true … who knows why?

Stupid Criticisms of Fahrenheit 9/11

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watch, read or listen to noam chomski. He explains a lot of why and how the american psyche works.

There are many great interviews to see from Noam.

The Myth of the Liberal Media: The Propaganda Model of News

Noam Chomsky - The Political system in the USA

The Vision Thing - Chomsky v Marr Part 1/3

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Quoting BoobzTwo,

reply 216

Quoting myfist0, reply 211I think that they are all holding there hands tightly over there ears singing LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA_LA very loudly.It just defies logic to me. It didn't take very long to realize I had picked the wrong movie, but it was never intended to go this route. It is amazing that people like Zeta1127 point out the 59 presumed errors but ignores the what, 59 things that are spot on, go figure. I too have read the list and can refute many out of hand but to what purpose?
I agree with much you have said ... sadly most are prone to attack Moore and his warped mannerisms and refuse to comment on anything else, go figure. I had just seen the movie (took me 7 years to force myself to review it) and found many things that collaborated what I already believed to be true. It would seem as though most waste their time with personal attacks touting all kinds of facts which they obviously don’t have … and flippantly disregard the lies and deceit of someone who has virtually brought destruction upon America itself, like Bush, is ridiculous. So as long as they are attacking the messengers and not justifying the official story itself, I know we have already won the battle as are they are in full damage control mode. When they can no longer pretend to believe the unbelievable … they attack the messengers ... neo-politics.

That's the problem, BoobzTwo, Michael Moore doesn't get anything right. Lies can't refute the truth, because they are just that, lies.

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Quoting Zeta1127,

reply 221

That's the problem, BoobzTwo, Michael Moore doesn't get anything right. Lies can't refute the truth, because they are just that, lies.

This is not the case IMO. When I watched the movie and listened to Bush and the others involved and listened to their spoken words, I have a tendency to grant it the truth. It is up to us to see how much, if any, it was taken out of context. The USG is incapable of justifying its own story … and you are talking about how stupid the author is. I think your priorities are backwards as Moore is expected to BS his way … but the President of the USA is not, is all.

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Quoting myfist0,

reply 220

Reply #220 myfist0

Great insight ... I liked all 4 and will pursue the author more. One thing I have noticed is that when I check the ratings of clips such as these, there is an overwhelming support for the video and there are seemingly countless examples. But I cannot find any that support the events of 9/11 ... is it just me? Where do all the faithful believers get the proof they always claim to possess?

PS - How does one go about this Karma thing and is it worth bothering with?

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Quoting BoobzTwo,

reply 223

PS - How does one go about this Karma thing and is it worth bothering with?

If you mouse over a post, at the bottom left will pop up "Report" and a "Thumb Up". Thumb up gives karma. Note that a long post you need to scroll to the top of the post to see the karma pop up window. Give a short txt reason.

This is totally up to the viewer weather its worth the time to give karma or just to comment on a post positively. I can click your karma and quickly see why and what other user like about you. 99% of mine is helping modders.

Quoting BoobzTwo,

reply 223

One thing I have noticed is that when I check the ratings of clips such as these, there is an overwhelming support for the video and there are seemingly countless examples. But I cannot find any that support the events of 9/11 ... is it just me? Where do all the faithful believers get the proof they always claim to possess?

Good question.

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WT - 7 is a perfect example of...? I have not found anyone who can begin to explain the collapse of this building other than those who know from the evidence. FIMA of all institutions, arrived in NY, NY Monday night (9-10-01) prepared for “a bio-terror drill’. I also confirmed that Rudolph Giuliani “predict” the fall of both towers while they were still standing? The WT-7 workers on site in the film were forecasting the predetermined fate of that building. And on and on… I have come to the conclusion that there are some that do not want to acknowledge the truth so badly, they defy all reason and logic.

There are just so many fronts to prove the USG fabricated its story. It is as if it is so ridiculous that nobody could possibly fabricate it, except of course, the seemingly inept USG. They are the one and only source I can readily find to propose the preposterous and therefore the only source one would have to believe in to argue for it, go figure. How much do you believe that comes out of the mouths of career politicians … hum?

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