I think it's funny how in literally, every game in existence people say things are "not really OP but everyone is terrible". 

yea.. I can't take this thread seriously....

Zex just stop coming to this thread then noone is making you read it and post on it.

Visca ill just say it like it is, I am sure you are a bad player and don't understand the game as much as most other people on this thread do. Making claims about queen being better then UB is idiotic. UB is the best demigod at all stages of the game and he is even better late game when he gets acclimation accompanied by a huge amount of hp. 

You can try to make an argument that UB isn't the best by saying something like "UB doesn't beat a rook 1v1" but whos stupid enough to lane solo vs a rook with ub anyway? 

Post some replays of you beating Orcun, renz, zengod, nnnils, pacov, Jona, pappanek, HerosTemp or anyone that is decent with your queen and that might make your argument some what credible. Throwing claims around without evidence just makes you look like a moron. 

When I say proof I mean link some replays to this thread showing that you can beat a skilled UB late game with your queen. You can post replays at the Jeelounge website or at gamereplays.org 

As far as your second paragraph goes its just a poor attempt at trying to make UB seem bad. You can find some ambiguous example and try to paint it like it is the truth when in reality it happens very very infrequently and is negligible. 

As far as the UB vs Erebus match up I gave it my best effort against one of the best erebus players in the game a while ago. Ill link the replay. The game could of been mine if I got off one more tick of ooze before he batswarmed out but after that engagement I became flustered and gave up the first kill which in turn bought Renz giants. 

The replay is here: http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=168669

Zen_god and Jona both watched and me and Renz 1v1'd

As far as high level QoT play I think me and Rawrr are about the only two people that gave a serious try at it and we both came up with nearly the same build orders. I am sure there are replays floating around of both mine and his QoT play if you look for them. 

Neither Rawrrr nor I have ever made exclamations about QoT being better then UB at any point in our careers playing dg. 

Not if UB is also played right. Some characters can but anything includes Reg, TB, DA who don't have a chance

No you didn't

That's a Korean DA though, they cheat.  

maybe i got the replay somewhere, but reg queen burst down an enemy over 5k damage lol, plus the slow

I'd be quite surprised if you came up with a build that folks haven't tried here before.  That said, the thing with QoT is that not many people end up maining her for long that are skilled and therefore there isn't much diversity in builds.  Full support qot, no shield qot, minion QoT, builds that use mulch and those that do not, etc.  I wouldn't mind hearing what build you are toying with.  The last person I recollect that put in some time into developing a QoT build was in1 - and he seemed to focus on grabbing tribute at 15. 

So your going a minion QoT with NO shamblers only idols you have NO ability to survive a direct engagement because you don't take shield or mulch so basically you die to any sort of burst damage. 

I guess ill have to see a replay because there is just no way that this could possibly work. 

I didn't lose to erebus early game the game was even until the first kill which happened significantly later than early game, watch the replay. Renz is a good player but I wouldn't classify him as just being better then me. I find there are a group of players at the top of the play level that are basically the same skill level and me and renz fit in that group nicely. 

The reason i dont do shamblers is because i simply dont need them. I do so much damage even without them that im just too lazy to get hem before i max out spikes and moral. Thats the point of my build. I sacrifice everything for my offensive play. The point of this play is that you do more damage and faster then the enemy. And i do just that, So even if i get into a close combat im  the one who gets you down more quickly. This works with ub as well below level 10.

Yea minion oak is alrgiht but im just having so much more fun with minion queen. much more fun to play. minion oak can be frustrating to play early game. anyway my build does more damage then a regular minion oak build im 100% of that.(till level 15 anyway)

My build greatly depends on early kills or assist and if i have to buy cur or not. If i get kills i  get spike waves  and shamblers earlier and no compost but always pick ground spikes asap

do you ever lead a combat with spike wave for the slow?  Just curious as to how you are opening.  Ground spike once they are in range or snare then spike, etc. 

Because you'll use ground spikes to try to stop the mass of spirits that are killing you and once I see that I'll come in and pop you one then take off.  At that point you're already half dead so even if you catch me with spike wave you won't be chasing me too far, and if you don't turn around then I can come back in for another pen to finish you off since you have no defensive abilities to stay in the fight and like 3500 hp with your boots of speed + gloves of darkur.  You sound like you've only seen tower killing minion oaks, not demigod hunting minion oaks.  

Hey - I started compiling some of the dmg stats of minions and I'll post something here when I get a chance, but I think based on what you are trying to do with your build that you should make exactly 1 change very early to maximize the damage you can do.  Do everything as you have been, but for your level 1 skill, choose shamblers.  Immediately summon both of them, then get your siege and play like you normally do.  You'll have to wait until level 2 for ground spike, so just take your time and farm for a wave or 2 if needed.  You actually should keep playing like you do and don't re-summon the shamblers if they die (unless you are at the crystal), but as the goal of your build is massive damage/kiting, you will want the shamblers there (even if they die a bit early).  I think once you see the numbers you will agree... but it does bump your dmg per second up a bit and you will have a bit more early killing/staying power in a lane. 

I know you don't feel like you need shamblers, but once you see the numbers, I think you'll agree that you want them earlier.  I did a few test games and the chance for a kill jumps up quite a bit before you get spike waves and increases throughout. 

Or just quickly consider that you have an ability that can drop armor into the negative - the more minions you have hitting when that happens, the more dmg you can do.  Shamblers are kinda crap, but if you just count on them for a few extra hits here and there early, I think you'll find them quite useful - as long as you can resist re-summoning them early as they aren't anywhere near as valuable as a ground spike or getting your other minions back.

And if you don't know or don't play like this - you should consider doing so - switch forms when you either don't have enough mana for spike or aren't using abilities/attacking.  In closed form you regen mana faster and have additional armor.  So, like a good tb, switching forms in between action is a smart move.  Try it if you have not been.

edit - I still see a pretty big weakness to this build that I think folks could counter if they thought about it much.  A reg, even not one that was in the same lane with you, could probably back you down effectively.  Speed fire tb could probably do the same.  Erb, like you mentioned earlier, could cause you some trouble.  A hybrid or minion oak could like do the same.  Anyway, I think the full dmg spec QoT can certainly serve a good purpose for early lane control and potential late game pain against quite a few dgs, so its certainly good stuff.  I'm just wondering if there is any good counter with a build like this and a reg snipe spamming, etc.  Early snipe spam would force you to back down without much regen, etc... which would kill your leveling... which would kill the build a bit.  Anyway, that's the type of stuff I think about when builds get discussed.  How would I beat it.  And I'm thinking I'd just go speed fire tb or reg (reg would be easier).

Still - fun stuff.  Hope you keep working on the build and come up with something quite badass.

If you do come up with a game where you feel like it was good against pretty decent opponents and your build worked well, please post a replay.  I'm sure a few of us would check it out.