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Keep changing forms in any battle is a huge diasadvantage for queen especially if enemy is dealing u huge damage. In these sitautions your only option is to focus on shield and mulch so you pretty much deal no damage to enemy while you focusing on how to survive. I think offensive queen shud win 9/10 in 1v1 situations.

Pacov in your match you used similar build order as me?

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pacov

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Quoting visca_el_barca,

reply 76

Pacov in your match you used similar build order as me?

I think - you'd have to watch the replay for sure, but 1-shamblers,2-spikewave, 3-morale,4-spikewave,5-groundspike,6-morale,,7-spikewave and so on.

My items varied a little bit from what I would have preferred to do.

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Lol whatever zen was doing isn't the way to play a mulch queen, you'll have to ask Cow how to do that since Rawrr isn't around anymore. Zen didn't ever switch forms because he had no open form abilities, it wasn't because you were doing too much damage to him.

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pacov

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Quoting GM-McShane87,

reply 78

Zen didn't ever switch forms because he had no open form abilities, it wasn't because you were doing too much damage to him.

heh... i hope that isn't true...

zen - tell me you didn't just get shamblers/shield/mulch...

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I watched it twice because I couldn't believe it, he maxes out his closed form skills then starts getting entourage. By the end of the game he has 4 helms and nimoths chest plate even though he has no offensive skills. The part of the game where he sits waiting to capture the gold flag for 5 minutes because he has no damage skills to push out doggu and then gets chased down and killed is my favourite.

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Ok NOW I will watch the replay.

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Quoting GM-McShane87,

reply 80

I watched it twice because I couldn't believe it, he maxes out his closed form skills then starts getting entourage. By the end of the game he has 4 helms and nimoths chest plate even though he has no offensive skills. The part of the game where he sits waiting to capture the gold flag for 5 minutes because he has no damage skills to push out doggu and then gets chased down and killed is my favourite.

cue the drunken whispering *cannot defeat the Zen_God.............................................. some bullshit.................*

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we just played a 2v2 with barca (qot)/naur (da) vs me (oak)/ mofofo (ice tb) - the game started with 2 kills for qot (and 2 deaths for me) but ended after 4 deaths of her in 15minutes because that qot has no survivability.. also by that time i was only lvl 9 so u can imagine what oak would have done to her end game

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pacov

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Quoting OMG_ZEX,

reply 82

cue the drunken whispering *cannot defeat the Zen_God.............................................. some bullshit.................*

heh... ah zen...

we just played a 2v2 with barca (qot)/naur (da) vs me (oak)/ mofofo (ice tb) - the game started with 2 kills for qot (and 2 deaths for me) but ended after 4 deaths of her in 15minutes because that qot has no survivability.. also by that time i was only lvl 9 so u can imagine what oak would have done to her end game

oooo - curiouser and curiouser - looks like I'm the full dmg spec qot to beat atm, eh.

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Quoting OMG_pacov,

reply 84

oooo - curiouser and curiouser - looks like I'm the full dmg spec qot to beat atm, eh.

oooo - well after that game i dont think that any qot without defensive skills is good

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pacov

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heh - you might be right. I need a good 2v2 or 3v3 to give it a go.

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well i have not much xp against another qot, i might have to get more health items, then my usual 4 helms build. But that build owns a ub so hard. Also, using that replay as a reference is nonsense with a fire tb against a so so reg. reg has to be build complete different in 2v2

with a reg build like this it could be different: http://www.jeeplays.com/replay/details/1/66 almost beat ub rook with reg queen

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Quoting OMG_pacov,

reply 79

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 78Zen didn't ever switch forms because he had no open form abilities, it wasn't because you were doing too much damage to him.
heh... i hope that isn't true...

zen - tell me you didn't just get shamblers/shield/mulch...

as i said try a 1v1 and we can see if full damage against full shambler shield is better without you being 2lvls above, having better demigod combo, and kills.

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Quoting GM-McShane87,

reply 80

I watched it twice because I couldn't believe it, he maxes out his closed form skills then starts getting entourage. By the end of the game he has 4 helms and nimoths chest plate even though he has no offensive skills. The part of the game where he sits waiting to capture the gold flag for 5 minutes because he has no damage skills to push out doggu and then gets chased down and killed is my favourite.

yep underestimated damage of firetb and queen, should have just tped out

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Quoting nnnils,

reply 83

we just played a 2v2 with barca (qot)/naur (da) vs me (oak)/ mofofo (ice tb) - the game started with 2 kills for qot (and 2 deaths for me) but ended after 4 deaths of her in 15minutes because that qot has no survivability.. also by that time i was only lvl 9 so u can imagine what oak would have done to her end game

First of it was a terrible game for me probably worst game in weeks. Got ganked way to many times didnt pay attention at all, bad item choices and was just not focused at all.(too lazy to get sigil and stuff like that) It happens sometimes... And for the record, game didnt start with 2 queen kills. The second kill was for tb when he chased down da after i got oak. And you make it sound like you kept killing me 1v1. It was all 2v1 situations when da just came too late...And im not saying it was his fault at all. I just played bad. Our combo was really bad as well. 2 dg heavily focused on offensive and with no defensive skills(and no stuns) is easily countered with oak who has shield. On a final note, we probably shudnt have conceded. I mean we werent loosing that bad and da has a really strong late game + my fell-darkur cud have been interesing.

Are you gonna post your every win over my queen nnils?

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pacov

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Quoting Zen_God,

reply 88

as i said try a 1v1 and we can see if full damage against full shambler shield is better without you being 2lvls above, having better demigod combo, and kills.

hey - no worries. I just thought you went with the usual shield/mulch/ground spike build. Was surprised that you had no offense. Anyway, you can prove me wrong, but I think the math works out that if I just stall you out, the extra dmg coupled with the lower amt of mana required for my build vs yours in combat, my build would win every time. The build you used is stronger when I'm level 1 - weaker if we fight at level 2. Close to even (but adv me) at 5. It would really come down to out maneuvering me - which you could pull off in a 1v1 with all your xp there. But as far as waiting and hoping you can outlast me - no - that won't work as long as I draw things out. You'll have to retreat. That's not to say at all that the build you used isn't solid against other dgs. I just don't think its viable my build vs yours 1v1. Anyway, math is on my side. You just have to outmaneuver me and get me to do something stupid... but you HAVE to do that if you can win. You are at a disadvantage if I'm patient.

Anyway, I'm all for our 1v1. Be ready for a slow and painful capture the flag game, though.

edit - visca - don't sweat talk trashing too much. Just do your thing and post a replay of an ass kicking. Believe me - seeing one ass kicking or hearing about it doesn't make me dismiss the effectiveness of a build. Everyone has their off games. Now if someone posts 10 games in a row of your QoT taking a beating on semi-even teams, then I'd think either the build is not effective or you are not with QoT. As it stands, I see one linked game that doesn't include a replay. I think most everyone on the forum knows that we all have bad games.

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Quoting OMG_pacov,

reply 91

Quoting Zen_God, reply 88as i said try a 1v1 and we can see if full damage against full shambler shield is better without you being 2lvls above, having better demigod combo, and kills.
hey - no worries. I just thought you went with the usual shield/mulch/ground spike build. Was surprised that you had no offense. Anyway, you can prove me wrong, but I think the math works out that if I just stall you out, the extra dmg coupled with the lower amt of mana required for my build vs yours in combat, my build would win every time. The build you used is stronger when I'm level 1 - weaker if we fight at level 2. Close to even (but adv me) at 5. It would really come down to out maneuvering me - which you could pull off in a 1v1 with all your xp there. But as far as waiting and hoping you can outlast me - no - that won't work as long as I draw things out. You'll have to retreat. That's not to say at all that the build you used isn't solid against other dgs. I just don't think its viable.

Anyway, I'm all for our 1v1. Be ready for a slow and painful capture the flag game, though.

edit - visca - don't sweat talk trashing too much. Just do your thing and post a replay of an ass kicking. Believe me - seeing one ass kicking or hearing about it doesn't make me dismiss the effectiveness of a build. Everyone has their off games. Now if someone posts 10 games in a row of your QoT taking a beating on semi-even teams, then I'd think either the build is not effective or you are not with QoT. As it stands, I see one linked game that doesn't include a replay. I think most everyone on the forum knows that we all have bad games.

well in a not 1v1 scenario your queen will have to retreat immediately with the damage in teamfights.

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Quoting visca_el_barca,

reply 90

2 dg heavily focused on offensive and with no defensive skills(and no stuns)

da swap is technically a stun and will stop pots/teles...

EDIT: and as previously discussed is the only effective counter to a shield porting oak..

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Quoting visca_el_barca,

reply 90

Quoting nnnils, reply 83we just played a 2v2 with barca (qot)/naur (da) vs me (oak)/ mofofo (ice tb) - the game started with 2 kills for qot (and 2 deaths for me) but ended after 4 deaths of her in 15minutes because that qot has no survivability.. also by that time i was only lvl 9 so u can imagine what oak would have done to her end game

First of it was a terrible game for me probably worst game in weeks. Got ganked way to many times didnt pay attention at all, bad item choices and was just not focused at all.(too lazy to get sigil and stuff like that) It happens sometimes... And for the record, game didnt start with 2 queen kills. The second kill was for tb when he chased down da after i got oak. And you make it sound like you kept killing me 1v1. It was all 2v1 situations when da just came too late...And im not saying it was his fault at all. I just played bad. Our combo was really bad as well. 2 dg heavily focused on offensive and with no defensive skills(and no stuns) is easily countered with oak who has shield. On a final note, we probably shudnt have conceded. I mean we werent loosing that bad and da has a really strong late game + my fell-darkur cud have been interesing.

Are you gonna post your every win over my queen nnils?

i dont think that u played that badly because theres just nothing u could do when u get caught.. Basically i think that this qot is only good against weaker demis (reg,da,tb) but will fail against the stronger ones.. E.g. in a qot/oak or qot/ub mirror i think a qot with mulch and shield would do much better and could also save the teammate if needed..

oh and i wont post every win

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Quoting doggu,

reply 93

da swap is technically a stun and will stop pots/teles...

EDIT: and as previously discussed is the only effective counter to a shield porting oak..

Yea but da swap is only useful for offensive purposes. Its useless if u try to get away from fights or save your teammate.

Quoting OMG_pacov,

reply 91

edit - visca - don't sweat talk trashing too much.

Did i talk trash? sry if i did i meant no disrespect.

Quoting nnnils,

reply 94

Basically i think that this qot is only good against weaker demis (reg,da,tb) but will fail against the stronger ones

Rook, occ and sedna cant do anything about it either. i speak from experience.

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Quoting visca_el_barca,

reply 95

Yea but da swap is only useful for offensive purposes. Its useless if u try to get away from fights or save your teammate.

swapping a pursuing dg off a teammate?

swapping out of a fight? (warp is better for this i know but we are talking about swap)

Anyway, this is off topic, my point is that swap can be used as an interrupt...

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Quoting Zen_God,

reply 87

with a reg build like this it could be different: http://www.jeeplays.com/replay/details/1/66 almost beat ub rook with reg queen

Oh nice I wanted to see this

Update-That is a pretty good Reg build, but I wouldn't go so far as to say you almost beat them, Ppap's priority was clearly to set the record for most faces hammered after the initial citadel push like 15 minutes in didn't work and marchidanu just didn't have the coordination to get kills with him. I'm not sure that Reg could hold up against TB though either if you rematched pacov, the fire circle and TB's speed would shut it down.

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Quoting GM-McShane87,

reply 97

I'm not sure that Reg could hold up against TB though either if you rematched pacov, the fire circle and TB's speed would shut it down.

yeah tb probably still owns reg. But the thing is when we pushed together in that game this build is so much more viable in damage terms. I mean we couldn't do anything 2v1 against pacov's queen the way he build reg.

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Even though this whole discussion is interesting to see what demigod has the best change to "win" against others....

People seams to miss a tiny little detail....

You can win with any Demogod depending how you play and who you playing against. You do realize that you do not automaticly win a match just because your character is "better"?

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I am quite sure most players are aware of that Maulkin. Skill and not having a bad game is much more important than the right DG. DG selection can very well decide an even game though. Since the game isnt that super complicated there are maybe a handful really good players that are on their level and then there are quite a few (I guess 50 or so) good players that arent too different in skill. If those good players play each other then the DG selection plays a big role.

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