Cool thanks I appreciate the help^^

About the voice chat...I have to get a new mic first, since my old one is broken

Yeah - I'm just streaming from time to time for you folks.  I don't really expect or intend to get a big following, but I know folks enjoyed it when I put up a stream for Demigod games - pretty sure they mostly enjoyed the chatter in vent, though.  Hopefully before too long I'll start streaming and include the voice audio from vent when I'm duo queuing, etc.  I don't mind streaming as long as a few of you dig it. 

Good job!

Anyone else in need of a tutorial that's been lurking here for a bit?  I'm considering setting a time tonight, getting on vent, and going over the basics, the meta game, builds, and roles.  Figure I'd do it with reggrid in game if he's free when I am this evening.  I figure it would likely be just a few custom games.  Reggrid - I'm thinking we could get on the lagwars vent server and I could speak and you could ask questions or make comments in chat as you don't have a microphone.  Let me know.  If there's no interest or reggrid isn't free, then I'll just do my own thing as per the norm.  I'm pretty much a mid level player at this point, but I'm pretty sure I could help out anyone that is new to the game that wants to learn.

My next two attempts at Ranked Games have been losses

and through absolutely no fault of my own...

Ahri: 8/4/1

Soraka: 0/5/5

Arrrrrgh

It's always been our solotop, he feeds their jungler and their solotop and then they go and kill the other lanes

I'm trying to carry, but it's difficult to do so against a 16/2/9 Warwick and a 21/3/3 Master Yi

That's the downside of ranked games... you often get a mixed bag of folks.  Here's my perpetual suggestion on ranked games.  I've heard people doing it differently, but I strongly recommend choosing your character based on where you are in the list.  By that i mean, the top slot is the highest elo in the group.  The bottom is the lowest.  Ideally, the lowest should be the support - regardless of their preference.  I've lost my fair share of games because I take support and can't make enough of an impact if one of the carries is clown shoes.  So, unless you are the bottom, call whatever you want immediately.  I've seen other folks choose to just support their way to higher elo as well, but I think my way is better and gives me more of an opportunity to make a real difference.  People will disagree, but I'd always prefer to have a strong carry/weak support instead of a weak carry/strong support. 

I do the same thing in draft games as well (though from top to bottom might be just based on games won (eg top = most games won).  I just call whatever I want if I'm in the top 1 or 2 spots and then take it.  If I'm towards the bottom of the list, then I'll ask for what I want or offer to do whatever we need. 

Random thoughts re: jungling - consider the common jungle routes based on the side of the map you are on.  If their jungler starts at their blue, then that jungler will likely go for an early gank closest to that blue.  If you don't see the jungler by around 2 minutes 10 seconds, odds are he's just continuing on the normal jungle route.  Which puts him near his red and able to gank mid or whatever lane is near red based on the side of the map you are on.  Anyway, you can generally predict when a gank is going to come bot or top based on the timing and when you last spotted the jungler.  Around 7 min in, the jungler is almost always on his way to blue or red based on what he started with... that also means a gank is most probable based on that location. 

Other random crap - I want to work on posting the timing of dragon, baron, red/blue (tb ob) in chat.  I always forget.  Should be pretty easy as a jungler to do that if the support is not. 

@Pacov:

Was watching your stream and I'd suggest you get rid of that bar that blocks the screen between your minimap and UI stuff.  Its not a huge deal, but it just seems like every little bit helps and giving yourself a little more sight by removing that wall and minimizing the UI a little is helpful, at least for me.

I'm not sure I agree with your picking philosophy cause there's nothing I hate more than getting in a game and watching our number one pick grab an easily hard countered Solotop champ.  Support IMO what should be picked very early as it seems much harder to get a hard counter pick against opposing supports and AD carries.  Also, I feel its a more important role than a lot of people think it is who assume you're just going to be hanging out in the bushes the whole laning phase.  You have to know the capabilities and tendencies of the three champions in your lane and when to save your CC for peels and when to harass, when to ward the side bushes, when to double ward, when to pink ward, when you're playing for the late game or going for early zoning, etc etc.  Don't get me wrong, it might very well be the easiest and the least important role but it can't be automatically relegated to the worst player since the lane itself is so crucial because of dragon control and the importance of your AD carry late game.  Haven't you ever been in a game where things were going pretty well everywhere else but bottom lane and you thought things were in the bag... and then the other teams farmed/fed Kog/Vayne/Tris just take over?

tl;dr Champs with multiple roles/lanes, supports, and AD carries seem to make the hardest to counter early picks.

Counter-picking at this ELO is fail...

Olaf counters Nasus, bad, so second pick Nasus thinking he's up against the first pick Wu sees Olaf appear.  Oh crap, we're doomed!  The rest of the team tells him to tower hug and don't worry about farm.  I just go Trundle and solve the problem by eating the bastard every time he pushes the lane.  Four deaths later, top is a done deal and Olaf no longer counters Nasus.  The poor guy didn't start catching back up till most of their towers were down, and by then Nasus was farmed to around 300 minions.  I see it all the time.  Some noob counter picks, pushes like there's no tomorrow, and gets his ass ganked over and over.

Any moron can jungle against those conditions, and once they get repeatedly trashed right off the start of the game, you've got three easy lanes thanks to fed as fuck jungle boy smoking everyone with his shiny new toys and a two(three if it was bot) level advantage.

There's a lot of dumb ideas too, like Veigar being terrible against Ryze.  I get counter-picked practically every time I take the little shit.  I have a 100% lane victory rate with the little guy to show for it.  You just have to be smart enough to let the minions eat the tower a bit till level 6, take the offered free kill if Ryze is dumb enough to get inside tower range himself, and then three shot the poor bastard every time your R comes off cd.  If they'd just take someone with a longer reach, Veigar wouldn't be so scary.  Blow a stun to burn BV's shield before your R is ready, and you somehow convince your idiot team mates that you're a pro by killing one of the easiest lane opponents you can get, a short range caster with no stun, less burst, and an entirely useless ultimate to have with a maximum lifespan of two seconds.

Then again, I main support Kayle, so I typically first pick a support when the situation arises.

Just going to update the other thread any time I'm streaming - keep an eye on it over here if you care:

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/421975

same goes for some other normal junglers - udyr, lee sin... olaf. 

Check this out if you have not seen it yet.  It's a bot that runs in PvP.net.  You can use it to VERY quickly check player stats (just tried - returned info in about 1 sec) and set timers if you like.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1294429

edit - tried the timer function out - its crap for the new jungle re: wraiths/wolves anyway.

Unless we are talking about "complete idiot" levels of "weak", a strong support can and will carry his bot AD through the laning phase. A player who is mechanically sound (understands last hitting, doesn't overextend), who is "weak" in that he misses a few kill opprotunities... well, with a good support he'll stay up with CS. A good support creates those kill opportunities in the first place. They aren't happening unless your opponents make a grave mistake or your jungler gets a gank. The AD carry simply isn't going to be doing many initiates at level 3. (initiates != poke). 

Good supports control the bush, waste junglers times, secures dragons by winning the lane, zones the enemy AD carry.

Think of it this way: 

A strong support, with a weak carry is 1.5 people, and ensures the enemy stays as 1.5 people. End game, they become like 1.25 people (initially carry is .5 person, later support = .5 people)

A weak support, with a strong carry is 1 person, and does nothing to keep the enemy down. End game, they become 1.25 people (initially, carry is .75 people support = .25 person).

A strong support will prevent their team from face-checking baron and getting aced in the first place, so that their carry can even get the chance to shine.

To be fair, you do that when we play in-house games too. 

i think that this only applies if you're playing someone who you are familiar with, you're good with, and you're "Tryharding". (i understand you're talking about ranked here - you probably tryhard more in ranked, but this is normals). 

If you're playing a role/person who you only have a handful of games with, following a guide and buying bad items (like rushing Ninja Tabi's and Madred's Razor (rather than Mecury + Vampiric)  against Rumble + Fiddle Jungle + AP mid), then, really, you're putting yourself at a high level there. Someone else could have played that role equally or better than you. 

Knowledge of the game != Good technical skills. 

It's true until you are higher ELO, playing someone you're more comfortable with (but a weak pick) is going to work out better for you than a natural hardcounter. But the fact of the matter is, if the person picks a counterpick, then pushes the lane, they would have pushed the lane with anyone else. 

isn't that why he is considered a counter? Nearly every other AP pick it'd be one-shot.

i do think that picking "safe" tops (such as GP / Warwick / Lee Sin) that can also jungle, first or second is hardly a big deal. Just like first-picking Kennen or Vlad. Hell, with Kennen you can even AD bot if you "must". Picking champions that really can only play in one lane first or second is putting your entire team at risk, and putting a lot of silly stress on your jungler.

A jungler can and should be able to help one counterpicked lane (afterall, it only makes sense that all three lanes would be even, or one team has a counterpick advantage in top, the other in mid). However, if both mid and top are counterpicked, then that lets the enemy jungler spend some time on bot instead (until you pressure a lane and force him elsewhere). That can spin your bot lane out of control and then you've got even more places to be. If bot is being safe, he can always just farm. 

"Pressuring" bot lane can be as simple as him farming a bit longer, and getting an early Oracles and forcing your support to burn a billion wards, plus keeps bot scared.