so that explains multi...

Thats not proven research. That is an asumption neurologists make based on brain degeneration later in life. They assume alcohol could be a factor. They cant study derect impacts like that for the pure reason that it might be dangerous to the test subjects.

And most the research that is out there comes from the same poeple that try to say drugs screw you up permentaly, when in fact its just a scare tactic.



Yea, I know what you mean. One of my mom's friends is (or I should say was) a reporter in Moscow, after pushing out an article defying recent reforms she had an attempt made on her life and had to leave the country.

Me, I am here with my family, first generation American I guess, though I wish I wasnt. It is really amazing how much change you go through when there is completely different culture. I mean I couldnt immagine living where I lived before. Currently I dont completely exist according to the US government being here as part of my dads Visa, but that is likely to change when our (2nd) application for a green card gets accepted(hopefully).

so I'm still right, but without the last 4 years

no, they take MRI and PET scans of people all the time, the brain degeneration is real and present very early on.

what? MRIs are dangerous? since when.

so people who OD from various types of drugs, kids who lower their IQ down to half that of a mentally retarded child, the mule junkies who die every day from their "transactions"

they're all fakers, right?

Putin had to leave the country?

well, gl with that.

No, but alcohol comsumption is.



ODing kills you, first off all. There is no direct affect on IQ, plus according to you IQ isnt a very reliable measure of anything. Please, I am friends with psychologists who have PhDs, and had patients who were chronic drugies who didnt have any sort of mental retardation.

Often times the subject in questions chooses to act stupid based on the common assumption that brain damage occurs from drugs. Now, the only proven research is that drugs such as cocaine and LSD could damage the neurochemical receptors, but that is also non permanent. And also we are discussing brain affects, not deaths. I never said drugs were not damaging to health, of course they are, just like alcohol is also damaging to health.



First of all putin is a man, and a politician, not a femal reporter. Read the paragraph please.



Thank you

oh, ah I see what you mean. they cant do direct testing because it would be unethical. true, but that doesnt dilute the strong evidence that MRIs of young drinkers (even if unregulated) reveals.

yay you learned something!
well IQ does measure something, but its not a decypherable piece of the brain that we know of yet, it certainly isnt all there is to intelligence.

either way the point remains that people who do drugs do get messed up, although in most cases the how, why and for how long depends on your toxin.

well, at least we agree here.

just reread the sentance, your use of the pronoun said that putin left the country, I thought it was funny

oh god, grammar is ruining my LIFE!

some cocaine and LSD users do suffer long term effects, even brain damage and comas, I dont see how that sort of severe damage cannot be considered "permanent".

then again, I have to agree that we dont have great long-term data for druggies who have quit.

Thats what I am saying current research on illegal drugs is very limited, and the government wants to make sure that use of them stays low because there are related health problems, not necessarily brain ones though. So they support the half baked theories of some reasearch who based their results with a biased predesposition and most likely an equally biased test sample.

The only thing psychologists and neurologists agree on though is that cocaine and LSD flood the brain with so much endorphins that it overloads the neural receptors and in essence makes them 'die'. Which makes the user experience less happiness and have a more depressed attitued because the next time endorphins are released there are less receptors so the nerves fire less to the parts of the brain that makes us feel happiness. However, there is also research that shows an improvement in the level of attitude after quiting, though that can also be argued.

so its the serious go-getters that turn themselves in for testing.
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  dammit wheres the smug smily when you need it!

No, but they dont get a fully representative sample. The people who usually end up in the test sample usually already have health problems and a low intellectual level.

I know the limit on smilies is very... well limited!!

Just to throw blood in teh water...

Doesn't meth cause (very) long term / permanent effects on just about the entire body?

If alcohol damages brain development, then why aren't nations with lower drinking ages stupider? Furthermore, while I don't have any studies to back me up that I know of, I haven't noticed people who abstained from drinking alcohol (myself included) are any more mentally stable or intellegent. Besides, I might point out that joining the military during a war has a nery significant potential negative impact on a person's health and we still allow 18 year olds to join the military whether a war is on or not.

meh... all this talk, and my victory over him is all but certain, no need to bet...

who says they aren't?

and its the excessive drinkers who get immediate effects. people who only drink lightly will be effected plenty, its just not, well, immediate.

we dont exactly have a choice, nobody else is young and brash enough to join.

then neither one of us are getting anywhere, because I'm so certain that theres enough studies out there to back me up that I'm not going to push this one any farther.

what makes you think that? It sounds to me like druggies who deal or take excessively usually avoid going to the hospital, whereas people who do not... dont.

Well it was this nation that elected George Bush...twice...

minor correction, we did not elect him, he was however inaugurated. It amazes me that the samething that happened in Florida in 2000 was repeated in Ohio in 2004...

Yes, but whether or not it has an adverse effect on the brain hasnt been proven.



Wait, so what your saying is anyone who drinks screws up their brain?



What I am saying is the test sample doesnt have enough of the upper class in it when it is them who have the largest amount of drug use.