Heath Ledger died today... =o

farewell lone rider...

wonder if it was suicide or OD?

Don't jump to a conclusion. It could have been a reaction to medication. I don't know if he was so depressed as to kill himself. He loved his daughter and he was a very successful actor.

there arent any conclusions to jump to, you dont just spontaneously develop an alergy to longtime medication.

A) what evidence do you have as to it being a longtime prescription

noone said anything about an allergic reaction (and yes, you can develop alergys over time, though generally it takes a while -- take bananas and latex, the more you eat bananas or are exposed to latex, the more allergic you are to latex and bananas -- which can make some former banana lovers really unhappy come prostate exam time).

C) many medications -- I happen to be on one of them -- have an ongoing chance for a reaction, even months or years after you start taking them. Said reactions can be fatal if you don't catch them, and get immediate medical help.

Depression can often set in at random.
And sever depression may have many unknown causes and influences, some even from repressed memories.

So in the end, he could've been severly depressed from the past not the present.

its implied the bottle was near empty.

well theres really only one way to have a reaction to medication, when your defense systems go haywire.

all and all its just not logical to think it would be a reaction to medication, a smart person does not look at stars and think "MY GOD GLOWING SPACE RABBITS!"

*shrug*

or it could be that, like most people in pop culture, he used drugs.

Thats a gross overexageration.

oh please, dont start.

I will start.

Where is your proof?

And besides, it said medicine bottle. Plus, they would've found traces of drugs in his system.

Not to mention the fact that its not pop culture. Its just culture, many more normal American's do drugs or have tried them, then any of the media. Most of the media has an image to keep. Plus, whenever anyone is uncovered as a drug addict or a druggie they are chastised by society, and that doesn't help anyons career.

So go be brainwashed somewher else.

Um, wrong. There are other reactions. I don't feel like digging out the paperwork on my meds, but it wasn't an allergic (AKA immune) issue.

Also, you could have a "reaction" to meds in the sense of liver / kidney failure, which clearly isn't an allergic reaction, and can be very, very deadly if left untreated. (Probably not fast enough to fit this case, but you get my point, right?)

when the police say "they suspect overdose" you usually dont think of half a tylanol.
as for proof, dont expect any. this is the internet.

you have never heard of the "parent's bathroom high"? you need to watch more law and order.
there are plenty of perscription drugs that make one go soaring through the clouds, I dont doubt an adult (let alone a famous actor) has a hard time getting their hands on it.

besides, many of those drugs are even more dangerous than heroin and cocaine, thats of course assuming that these arent drugs hidden as pills.

ok Ron, let me make some intro-to-biological engineering things clear for you:
drugs act in two ways, they either support the body's immune system, or they hijack the body. When you have a reaction to a dose of medicine it is either because
1) you had a high dose
IF: high dose
THEN: overdose
OR: suicide

2) you had a low dose
IF: low dose
THEN: body reacted to it
THEN: it was an allergic response

there are no other explanations for any medication that has been had for more than a couple days, site the fact that it was obviously not a full bottle of medicine.

ah note: sleeping pills! infamous for their addictive and safe nature. seriously doubt he had an allergic reaction to melatonin, a natural neurotransmitter. if he did he was fucked anyway.

...
Ron, if your liver or kidney fails it means two things:
poisoning, your liver and kidney overdosed on something (gasp, look at that word again!)
or
allergic reaction, your liver and kidney are INTEGRAL to your immune system, its where everything goes to get swept away.

god, I knew this thing in elementary school, this isnt a difficult concept.

in any case his condition was described as "full cardiac arrest" again its the bloodstream thats at stake here, implies overdose or allergic reaction.


I'm not saying its absolute, but occam's razor these are the most likely. this isnt some over-the-internet show of house. in fact, occam's razor doesnt really apply because I'm making the case for the most general argument, you guys are making the case for an extremely unlikely and specific case (that half way through his 7 course seafood meal, his body decided to become allergic to clam chowder)

True... but I didn't see that. Just the blurb, no linkie, and no further research. (Ooops, just noticed there was a webaddress I didn't bother on.

And Schod, whatever you might think, there are reactions that can occur after months of using meds, even if you take them properly (no over or under dosing ). They're (relatively) rare, but they do happen. And while the ones I know of don't involve full cardiac arrest, I'm not an MD. And the fact that there are any, implies that there can be others.

so because there are some gay chickens out there, this chicken is probably gay?

Ron theres also the possibility that the KGB hired a chinese femme fatal ninja to assassinate him using an untraceable poison dipped in honey syrup, but that doesnt make me think that its the logical explanation.

people can slowly develop immunities to meds they are taking, this has happened to me as well, and you have to up the dose. Generally doctors wont let you go beyond the safe limit, but if you are sitting there in pain, you dont always think about what is good for you. Heck, i have a sleeping med that if i took four of them, i might not ever wake up again

you would be missed eet

Your missing my point. As usual. I'm not saying he did die to a reaction. I'm saying you were totally wrong about that being impossible.

Ron you define charletan, I really have no more to say on the subject.

its sleeping medication, yes you can become immune: but its relatively safe until really REALLY high doses.

Good to see that Ledger's death spawned another worthless argument on this forum. Cheers!!

Police have said that Batman is the prime suspect.

NYC's ME released that autopsy results are inconclusive... sorta points to it not being overdose. Maybe he just... died. It happens. My dad's cousin died sitting on the couch with her husband watching a movie. He didn't even know until after the movie when he tried to wake her up. She was only 30. Autopsy said the same thing. Cardiac arrest.

oh that stinks... sorry to hear.


but still, spontaneous heart attack at 28 would not be my guess.

well he was the star in brokeback mountain...

100.000+ dies each day. Many for much worse reasons. That don't make it less tragic of course.

Had to suppress the laughter from that one.

Great actor, first saw him in A Knights Tale, and thought he did pretty well. Was looking forward to his performance in The Dark Knight, from the trailer he looked like he could fit the the Joker's role very well.

R.I.P Heath...

Charlatan, huh? Thanks for the compliment... and you can send the check to me via paypal.