http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/370816/player/11216/

Midwest poop or something Bara I never played in that Game

Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates recently.  I have a big one coming soon though.  The major changes are to the player info page, and I think you guys will enjoy the changes and feature additions I made

Looks like it was a custom game, did you happen to join it at any time then leave?

Bara

Never made it into the room and I got 0 favor if I got into the game wouldn't I have at least gotten 10 favor points?

Ok, so you did try to join but it failed while trying to get into the lobby, correct?

Bara

Ya never made it too lobby

Alright, I'll make sure the right people get this information so that we can fix the bug.  Thanks for the help

Bara

Played 4 Pantheon matches last night, won all 4 -- only one is showing up but as a loss and if you look at the favor earned it's switched, the losers are showing what the winners got in the actual match and vice versa.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/377811/player/29230/

Did someone leave during the match cause if someone disconnects it's the person who reports the game first.  More then likely someone disconnected and then they won (the same game you were playing with AI replacements) before you did so they reported the game before you did.

Ok, I feel stupid for not seeing this thread before...So can I mention again the ranking issue or some ninja will jump and cut my head off? 

What would cause games to not be recorded at all? I had two panth games that me and another person played to completion against two opponents. One game both opponents stayed till the end. The other game, one opponent said gg and left a couple minutes before we won. Neither of them counted as a win/loss/anything.

Ok, here's the issues I've experienced in the past few days:

1) as johance above said, sometimes if someone leaves (rage quits), the game doesnt get recorded...I lost 3 wins that way in the last days.

2) If I press cancel at the connection screen (before even getting in game), I still get a loose if those guys play the game. I think this is highly unfair...my only loss from this pantheon (I have 6/1 so far) is due to this bug...

3) (not website related, but important to know) If someone quits the game that way (either cause he dropped or pressed cancel or timed out), the game goes forward as 2v1 instead of being canceled for all (not even with ai, one team has 2 another one has 1)

4) Rankings are not accurate, many times, I see guys with X wins Y losses where X>Y having smaller rank then guys with T wins Z loses where T<Z

Disconnect issues are known, and are the next priority after the connection issues and favor point issues are resolved.

As for the rankings bit, either those numbers have not been updated because the person has not played a game in a while, or the person who has more losses than wins but is ranked higher has played mostly against people with a higher experience than him, so his experience shoots up faster when he wins and goes down slower when he loses.  Vice versa for the player with the greater wins.

Bara

Bara can we please do something about the 2 v 1

4 games this weekend with 3 players. Guess who was the loner.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/games/player/11216/

I usually out play the 2 people but still lose cause of game type Domination and Fortress.

But two people is tough to overcome as they capture two flags to your one all game long. So they go up in War Rank Faster!  They got double your gold. they can invest in creeps and building upgrades.  You have to invest in currency and xp upgrades to out-level to fight off 2 v 1.

If you are going to allow 2 v 1 please make these Slaughter.

Were you playing using the beta patch or just the latest non-beta version?

Bara

Non Beta patch (I rolled back) because beta patched helped custom game connectivity.  The pantheon and skirmish was painful to get a game in beta patch waited at least a half hour multiple times.

New update! 

5/11/2009
- Player stat charts!  Go to any player's initial page and you'll see some cool new charts and a slightly different layout.
- New tournament lists page (click on View All Tournaments at the bottom of any Pantheon page).
- Added current team progress chart (by percentage) to the right of the Pantheon page.
- Minor performance and back-end tweaks.

Check out any player's stats page to check out the majority of the new stuff.

Bara

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/398043/player/27245/

Big improvemnt on the stats, it looks nice!!

The only problem I still see frequently is in skirmish games. Usually its 4v4 ( 3AI / 1 human) and if the human on the other team gets pissed and quits the game does not count at all...

Pantheon: I had 9 won games, 1 lose (from a disconnect) and was no. 170+ in rank. Yesterday I lost one more so I had 9/2 and today I woke up to see I'm no 7000...no offence mate but this seems pretty fucked up....one lose to throw you down 7000 ranks? Today I won 2 more so I'm 11 2....I wish to see how I make back up to 100 ranks, if not this system is highly flawed. With 11/2 I should be in TOP 30 considering people there are with 8/5 !!!!

And how can u loose experience anyway? Experience is somthing that only accumulates!

In either case you cannot give such a harsh penalty for ONE lose???? Please try to see what's wrong...I'm afraid of even playing now....

Can someone please explain the current state of pantheon.

1.I am working under the asumption that if someone quits and leaves you playing against AI the game wont count. (this seems to work sometimes but othertimes it does count)

2. I disconnected at the start (15secs in) of a game 2v1 (hence leaving 2v AI) and that game counted - would be in contrast to the previous statment regarding AI matches not counting.

3. Ive had multtiple games where i match into AI matches (only AI) and i leave these and these matches dont count.

Is there any rhyme or reason to how some games count and others dont ?

It may be that there were 7,000 people who were in between your old experience and your new one.  The experience auto-calculates after every game, so there's not much I can do.  Sorry. 

Also, your overall W/L ratio doesn't matter as much as how well you do in each individual game and who you were playing with. 

As for how one can lose experience when it should only accumulate, that would be your definition of experience.  My definition says that experience is an "on the fly" number that changes with each game.

The experience number should not prevent you from playing the game.  That does against the purpose of this entire system.  I say ignore the experience for now.  Frogboy has already stated we'd be resetting the stats in the near future, so why not just play some games, have fun, and know that they won't have much consequence on your future experience?

Disconnects are currently very funky and cause some odd issues.  If all you are playing against is AI, then no, the game will not count if you disconnect because there will be no one else to send the data to the server.  Although in the future this may change.

Keep checking back with us as we're working hard on resolving these issues.

Bara

I definitely like the new stats available and the viewing. well done.

I'd like to put a suggestion for a new statistic - Demigods wins/losses vs. other DGs (which already exists, so here's the kicker) which takes mirror matches into account.  i.e. lets say there's a game with Erebus/TB vs. Erebus/Rook.   Weighing statistics for Erebus win/loss ratio is only serving to anchor Erebus to a 50% rate.  However if you ignore Erebus in this matchup and only take statistics for Rook and TB, that would be accurate.

So thats my suggestion, dont count matchups where there is a mirror.

Loving the game so far. i shamefully admit i havent touched Warhammer online for more than a handful of hours since i got DG. (used to be playing WAR every night, i'll probably go back for more with the expansion next month)

Yes, that is why every Demigod has a >50% winning streak.  If we look at the Top Demigods page then filter by Pantheon games, you'll see that every Demigod has a <20% winning streak.  This is because Demigods can only be on 1 team and cannot face against each other, but if there are more than 1 of the same type of Demigod on a team and it loses, that Demigod gets multiple losses added to it's stats.

Bara

Then can you tell us exactly how it gets calculated? Seems awfully wrong to me to drop 7000 ranks just for one lose...as with everything, the system may have bugs/flaws, doesn't hurt to take a second look, does it? Feel free to check my stats....

You can't really have a competition between clans if this doesnt gets fixed...imagine a clan dropping from no.1 to number 4000 cause they lost a match....imagine the flame afterwards....this HAS to be fixed now....

Suggestion: Ranking points. You win ranking points for a win a and loose for defeat. Then the ladder is made by a simple ascendent order of the ranking points....

EG: I won a game with 50 RP. I win a second with 70 RP. I loose one with 40 RP. I have: 50+70-40= 80RP

That way a lose wont have such an impact

PS: Experience is always cumulative. You are good with coding now so you have a good experience. You won't be less experienced if you mess up a code and have to debug it later See what I mean?

The RP system you described is similar to what we are doing, but ours is more complex.

I just checked your stats and you have nothing ranked 7,000 or anywhere near it.  Your current Pantheon, Rokur experience is 1,018 and you are ranked 313.  I'm assuming you played a few games and got your rank back up.  See?  It fixes itself simply by playing

Here's what I think happened: Everybody starts with an experience of 1,000.  Some people start a tournament but don't play a game, or don't finish, or whatever.  Based on that, I think it's safe to assume that most people will have experience around 1,000, let's say 1,000 +/- 20.  You played a game and lost.  You happened to lose just enough to get you to 979 experience.  This means that you were ranked below that huge group of people who has around 1,000 experience.  Playing another game and getting back up to 1,018 got you back to rank 300. 

This is kind of a problem, but only if the ranking system is ranking people who have never played a game and are stuck at 1,000.  Anybody who gets to 999 would get ranked below thousands of people (as you did).  If it does take into account games played, and only ranks players who have at least 1 game finished, then there's no problem here.  I'll look it up and see.

Bara