Gunslinger, I have two issues I was hoping we could discuss.

1)  Game listed at 11:06pm was a game I never actually got into.  This has occured in other games as well.  I was having issues at that time were I was disconnected from matchmaking and several stalls on the loading screen were I was infinitely waiting for other players.  Games I am not in should not count against me.

2)  During a game at 11:36, I had 13 kills and 0 deaths.  I had artifacts and cats heading at them, they had 2 forts while we had all 5 still, then my graphics card reset.  The driver reset and windows was restored but Demigod just closed.  My teammate won less than 2 minutes later.  I got the loss.

These are 2 instances where I don't think I should be getting loses.  The first one for sure, but the second one as well.  Thoughts???

I'll bring the first issue to T-Man's attention.  The second issue:  You were probably disconnected, and because of that you got the loss.  There's no way for us know if you disconnected on purpose or by accident, so we have to count it as a loss.  Most other games do it this way too.

Bara

any idea when the reset is going to happen?

Bara,

I also have a game at Jun 3, 2009 3:17 PM where I loaded in and saw a 0 ping for my ally.  I said sorry, but 2v1 with ai is silly and ended game.  I was in for under 20 secs.  It is currently listed as a loss.  Is this normal???

I don't normally leave but was under the impression that "end game" in under a couple minutes was not counted against us.

Soon.  I do have a specific date that I was told, but it may change, so I'd rather not make it public just yet (unless Brad decides otherwise).  Keep track of the Demigod Journals forum for an answer.

Actually, that should not be happening.  But since it did, it will give us a good test case for where the error is.  We'll look into it.

Bara

My stats are uploading on the tourny page but my rank is not being recorded?

Rank only update 1/day at 12Midnight Eastern Standard Time.

As it states at the bottom of that page

Bara

Just pushed a minor update to Pantheon.  The primary change is that we have removed "Overall" stats and rankings and added "Ladder" stats and rankings.  Ladder stats include Skirmish and Pantheon games, but not Custom Games, and will become the primary way that we rank people.

Overall will return either later today or tomorrow and will include everything (skirmish, pantheon, and custom games). It will not be ranked; it will just be for statistical purposes such as on the Player Info page.

Let me know if you have any questions or problems with this change.

One thing I should mention is that "ladder" may not be the final name we stick with, and may change in the near future.

Bara

A couple of questions, sorry if they have been asked already, didn't read the entire thread....

Why don't the numbers add up?

As in, my wins/losses/discs in  tournament + skirmish != Ladder totals.

Neither does my ladder + custom = overall...

Does the tournament ranking exp still base itself on your total exp, like in Rokur2? If so, why?

It's sort of silly to go 18-4 in a tourney, and end up with 953 exp because your overall ranking is high...

Lastly, a feature request:

It'd be nice to be able to input two users, and get a list of the games they've both been in.

Wow, I never found this palce, but now I did, here is a strange issue I found.

I had a pantheon game that had all 4 palyers all the way through. When my ally and I won, the game crashed on the "Forces of Light are Victorious" page (I was on forces of light). The screen that shows stats for the game and stuff.

Here is the game: http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/519967/player/42956/

The game is recorded as a loss for me even though I got the favor points and everything. I am not sure how this looks like in the database end of things, but to me it appears as a loss and that doesn't seem correct to me since I played the whole game through and won.

Try playing a game.  The overall and ladder stats will not update until you play 1 game (preferably non-custom game).  Doing so will kick off a job that will update the numbers, and at midnight the site will update with the new numbers.

As for your suggestion, I will eventually add some kind of player comparison page.  I'll see about implementing the ability to see if they have played any games together.

According to the database you were marked as a disconnect.  Unfortunately, disconnects are an instant loss.  That isn't the problem though, the problem is that you crashed.  Do you happen to know why you crashed?  Was an error returned?  Try updating your video card and network drivers so this doesn't happen again.

Bara

Another update today.  I've merged the update from yesterday with today's update.  Here's the change log:

6/5/2009
- Added "Ladder" stats and rankings, which include Skirmish and Pantheon games.
- Updated "Overall" stats to include everything, Overall is not ranked.
- Added Tournament Stats to player stats page.
- Player's games listing now shows "NA" if a game is not counted.
- Updated search page to show more information and be more informative.
- Updated achievements page, it will be turned on when the stats are reset.
- Other minor bug fixes and design changes.

I'll be doing one other minor update later today to show the Spent Favor Points and Current Favor Points on the Stats page for players for each stat type (overall, tournament, skirmish, etc.).

Bara

Ehm, ok... I'm sure I played Pantheon games yesterday, so the job was kicked off.

These are my stats as of today (not played any games yet, so none counted some places, but not added elsewhere due to job not kicked off yet), care to explain how they can be correct?

Overall Stats:
Total Games:  116
Games Won: 86
Games Lost: 30

Tournament Stats:
Total Games:  88
Games Won: 65
Games Lost: 23

Custom Game Stats:
Total Games:  7
Games Won: 3
Games Lost: 4

Skirmish Stats:
Total Games:  17
Games Won: 13
Games Lost: 4

Ladder Stats:
Total Games:  16
Games Won: 13
Games Lost: 3

It's almost accurate.  I wonder if Overall is counting dropped games or something similar... I'll take a look and see how they are being calculated.

Bara

Overall, yes.

Ladder, not much so...

Hi Bara,

I have a lot of games marked as Won or Lost that should of been NA. This is assuming all custom games are supposed to be marked NA. I had 31 custom games weekend before last, only 1 disconnect from one of my friends, game locked up on him ( he had to hard boot), we usually set up a 3-way on our phones during game so we can all talk. All the other games were perfect no disconnects and nothing strange happening. Custom games stats only show 20 games played, should be 31. Something very strange is happening with the recording of the games on your website, since there was only 1 game with any disconnects and we were only playing against AI, both of my other friends are learning the game still.

Here is my game list:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/games/player/25107/

Not that this is the best place for it, but...

Any chance we can change the timer back to 30 secs???

Now with the option of endgame, people typically use this to quit a game in progress (instead of the exit to windows).  I haven't seen a single disconnect timer.  However the cable in my area has an issue where at unknown random intervals, I will disconnect for approximately 21 secs.  It happens once every 10 games, sometimes 3 games in a row and then never for 20 odd games, but before I would be fine.  Now with the timer at 8 secs I am screwed. 

On a more pertinent point, some of my disconnects our counted as wins because I was the host and I played the match to completion.  See games at 6:24 and 5:52 today for examples.

Hey Bara,

Found something very interesting today.  I played a game at 11:30 in the pantheon and after scoring several kills the host dropped, then so did my ally.  This left the game with just aui.  This was about 4 minutes in.  I finished the game in another 12 minutes and low and behold no win showed up on the pantheon games list.

This in concert with the above means that anyone can have a 100% wn percent simply by hosting and then disconnecting for 10 secs and the reconnecting.  Everyone else in game will get the loss and a disconnect while that person as the host gets no disconnect and gets the win.  Clearly we need another system other than just the host reporting the win/loss, score, and d/c.

I found a weird anomaly in the database -- unfortunately I didn't play the game in question so I can't tell you what happened.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/573255/player/15699/

• How can all the players in a game lose?
• How can a losing player get 165 favor points?

I mentioned this before, but got lost in the shuffle (I think).  Some matches are missing from the record entirely, and not for either of the reasons you list above.

I have limited play time, so this is a small sample.  However, below are the matches and results of those matches I have played in since patch 1.01.  The ratio of missing matches feel consistent with my experience over the ~3 weeks I've been playing the game.  Please note that while I should be a modest 4-2, the pantheon has me at a (more) modest 2-2 since the release of 1.01.

6/2  11:20 pm - 12:00 am  2v2  skirmish, flag control leviathan
no disconnects.  Won.  Not recorded.

6/3 10:50 pm  2v2 pantheon flag control zikurat
no disconnects.  Lost.  Recorded.

6/3 11:50 pm 2v2 pantheon fortress cataract
no disconnects.  Won.  Not recorded.

6/6 12:30 am 2v1 pantheon flag control crucible
1 opponent quit.  Won.  Recorded.

6/6 1:00 am 2v2 pantheon fortress cataract
2 opponents quit.  Won.  Recorded.

6/6 1:30 pm 2v2 pantheon fortress leviathan
no disconnects.  Lost.  Recorded.

Bara

A few questions -

1) Does the three minute free period in which if you leave you can not get a loss apply to Pantheon games?  I had thought based on Froboy's journal entry that it was universal... if you leave before three minutes no harm no foul.

2) Here is my list of Panth games:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/games/player/31151/

I had a game today June 7th with DomJon (forces of light - Rook player) which was not recorded.  Not recorded on Domjon's list either.  Dominate on Zikurat.  Any explanation?  Unfortunately I can't give you info on disconnects or rage quits...it was a normal game to me I don't recall anything out of the ordinary.  Started with all humans (2v2) and I am pretty sure it ended that way.

Another game today on Crucible 2v2 with a human player on my team - and two forces of darnkess players (one of them ANARHIST55) who both entered the game as AI.  This game was not recorded at all either.  I checked ANARHIST55's game list as well - it does not show up.  I can't recall my partner's nick or I would check his list...but any explanation here?  Towards the end my partner WAS dropped, or was at least replaced by an AI, no disconnect screen came up, I did not have to wait the thirty seconds.  Any thoughts on this one?

Most importantly to me  is the issue of the loss recorded at 10:58pm.  This was a game where everyone connected very quickly, and by the time the game loaded everyone had dropped.  I was the only human in the game, everyone else showed 0 ping.  I quit instantly (not being masochist by nature  ) but as you see..it was recorded as a loss.  Tunk30 got the win on forces of light and received the vast majority of favor points -- http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/583321/player/31151/ --  From my games list - the timing with that loss seems very off.  The win before that at 10:44, then a loss 14 mintues later, then a win 4 minutes later?  Can this be fixed / explained?  

EDIT: Another win this morning logged as a loss while my partner (syzlen) received the win.  Syzlen dropped in the middle of the game and it was a 2v2 then with one AI on each team. Also - how did Syz end up with 220 favor points?

Thanks in advance for your help. 

-Myachi

It seems at least the custom game statistic does not work correctly. it shows me for the 6th juni only 3 games played and for the 7th only 1. this wrong. on the 6th i played at least 6 games and on 7th at least 4 games.

i thought i've observed that earlier but didn't bother to check it. i'm not sure if this happens every time but at least for the last two days it is definitly wrong!

edit: i see there are manymore  games missing. especially games i won. and the demigod statistic is absurd. it says i played only torchbearer and in only one game, that i lost. in fact it seems that all of the stats (maybe not the fevorpoints) are far from being correct. i really wonder how somebody could implement this so damn wrong -.-

I just checked the stats for my games. I went 4-1 over the weekend, but it shows up 2-0 and 1 game not counting. Kind of odd, unless the last game I played ended after midnight last night. I guess I will need to check tomorrow.

and now for the 8th juni there are 2 of 3 games missing. i wonder if there are any recorded stats that are correct. it seems they are all messed up.