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Unclean Beast vs Regulus

April 24, 2009 10:20:19 AM from Demigod ForumsDemigod Forums

I would like to make a request to the community for your thoughts on viable strategies for those playing as an Unclean Beast vs Regulus. As an UB player, I find that *good* Regulus players give me the hardest time. Generally, a good Regulus player will hang close to towers early on. As an UB I usually do not have the health to take tower hits so I can never pursue the Regulus.

 

This is really only pertinent in the early game. Late game health/items make it such that a few hits from a tower are not a big deal.

 

I myself try to maximize speed, but Regulus do as well. While an UB has a natural advantage here, it is minimal and only a poor Regulus will get too far from their towers when an UB is around. The speed difference is usually not enough to make a kill.

 

My favored tactic vs Regulus is simply avoidance early on. Try to farm where they are not. Climb levels and try and get good items to make a difference. Is there another way?

 

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Reply #1 April 24, 2009 10:54:23 AM
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I think you're doing it right.  Don't worry about the kill, worry about the flags.  If Regulus has retreated to his towers that means YOU have the flag!  If he tries to cap the flag he's forced to retreat when you get close.  Don't think of it as you failing to make the kill.  Think of it as you succeeding at maintaining map control.  Regulus just can't take a flag from UB.

Neither of you are getting the kill but you have the flag.  You are winning.

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Reply #2 April 24, 2009 11:16:22 AM
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I play as Regulus and the best tactic at the start of the game I've seen from a UB player against me, so far, is to harass with spit. Go in, spit, get out. Repeat after your spit timer has finished resetting. The only viable counter to that would be to snipe and try to get in a few shot while you advance to spit, but most of the time I end up having to back up before the UB does. Unless there's a third demigod joining in on the action, usually UB will end up pushing back Regulus as long as they're both low lvl.

The only counter I've seen to that so far is to combo mines and snipe with Regulus, that usually gives Regulus the edge, but then again, you need a few levels to do that.

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Reply #3 April 24, 2009 11:19:49 AM
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Quoting wesleyshaver,
reply 1
I think you're doing it right.  Don't worry about the kill, worry about the flags.  If Regulus has retreated to his towers that means YOU have the flag!  If he tries to cap the flag he's forced to retreat when you get close.  Don't think of it as you failing to make the kill.  Think of it as you succeeding at maintaining map control.  Regulus just can't take a flag from UB.

Neither of you are getting the kill but you have the flag.  You are winning.

Bang on. The first 4-5 levels are ALL about flag control. Dont concern yourself with getting a kill. If you can manage one, great. Most of the time though you will end up chasing the Regulus away. Make sure to spit on him anytime he does get too close or you get within range. If you can cause him to heal just one more time then you, chances are when you get to killing potential, he will be at least a level below you if not more, which makes the kill MUCH easier.

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Reply #4 April 24, 2009 11:43:16 AM
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best player will win in this matchup , dont think any1 have a superior advantage over the other just build/counterbuild the other players build/items 

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Reply #5 April 24, 2009 11:44:30 AM
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As an UB player I freakin HATE good Regulus players... They make me scream.  That damn long range Arrow of God shit they pull while I'm running my little ass away drives me banannas....

 

Nothing, I mean NOTHING, makes me happier than a Regulus kill...

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Reply #6 April 24, 2009 12:59:07 PM
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Quoting Javaslinger,
reply 5
As an UB player I freakin HATE good Regulus players... They make me scream.  That damn long range Arrow of God shit they pull while I'm running my little ass away drives me banannas....

 

Nothing, I mean NOTHING, makes me happier than a Regulus kill...

Snipe is indeed brutal as a harassing tool early on. The rare times I play UB and end up against Regulus (I normally play Reg, Rook or Erebus) I grab a health potion early on. Spit on reg when possible. Eventually he will think he has a kill and chase. With my health potion I try and run the wrong way (away from my towers) lead him, pop my potion, spit and eat him.

When playing Regulus, I dont use snipe so my strategy differs. If any demigod croses the creep wave, I run. Immediately. That has more to do with my enhanced build then anything else though. A normal Reg will keep range and harass with snipe. 

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Reply #7 April 24, 2009 3:45:26 PM
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Beast is an ambush predator. you'll get your kills easily if you exploit gaps in player's map visiblity and movement speed.

 

the usual way i attack regulus is by baiting him to overextend by presenting an empty lane. i'll go and support another DG somewhre else, do a 2v1 push in a different lane. if he falls for the bait you wait for him to go and try to take the flag you left empty. at this point you need to use a teleport scroll to come in out of nowhere. then you will burst him down with Venom Spit and Foul Grasp. make sure you apply a 2nd venom spit just as the first one is expiring. he'll often be able to retreat to his own territory buy will die from the Venom DoT still on him.

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Reply #8 April 24, 2009 3:50:11 PM
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Try the Warp Stone to get close to Regulus. With the claws, he won't be able to runaway. The hardest part is moving off of the mines when he throws them on you, but if you can do that, I think you can come out on top (barely).

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Reply #9 April 24, 2009 3:57:15 PM
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Quoting AngryZealot,
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Try the Warp Stone to get close to Regulus. With the claws, he won't be able to runaway. The hardest part is moving off of the mines when he throws them on you, but if you can do that, I think you can come out on top (barely).

Not when a good regulus uses MoB on you and you crawl off my exploding mines to your death

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Reply #10 April 24, 2009 3:59:38 PM
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Quoting Javaslinger,
reply 5
As an UB player I freakin HATE good Regulus players... They make me scream.  That damn long range Arrow of God shit they pull while I'm running my little ass away drives me banannas....

 

Nothing, I mean NOTHING, makes me happier than a Regulus kill...

Nothing makes a Regulus player more happy then a cocky Beast player who thinks he will survive a fight and let his hit points get so low that he starts to run for his crystal. I get to watch my Regulus kneel down and Take the Shot!!!!

Snipeolicious

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Reply #11 April 24, 2009 4:37:21 PM
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Really? I thought UB v Regulus was in UB's favor. Spit is ridiculous.

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Reply #12 April 24, 2009 5:47:04 PM
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Early on Tarl taking equal skill at the demigods yes it is. But mid game and later mines+mob just decimates UB especially if you play with people you know. Dropping 3k+ damage on a UB in about 4 seconds is decimating when most UB's stack dmg and/or movement instead of hp and hp regen. I have yet to play against a good UB as regulus though(I play with a sedna and an oak and we're all on vent).

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Reply #13 April 24, 2009 6:14:04 PM
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the thing is the early game makes or breaks the lategame ... so therefore in this case i think who have played overall better then the other player is gonna win , dont forget you can blink when he throws mines

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Reply #14 April 25, 2009 2:58:08 AM
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I play a Reg and I had going against UB's. My basic strategy is throw out mines and hope they retreat. Once the UB uses spit my plan usually goes down the drain.

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Reply #15 April 25, 2009 5:15:19 AM
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Quoting HorseRadish,
reply 9

Quoting AngryZealot, reply 8Try the Warp Stone to get close to Regulus. With the claws, he won't be able to runaway. The hardest part is moving off of the mines when he throws them on you, but if you can do that, I think you can come out on top (barely).

Not when a good regulus uses MoB on you and you crawl off my exploding mines to your death

 

MoB will only work if if UB uses a skill.  You would have to pray that he uses spit, this is of course only after assuming he hasn't already done it in the first place.  Therefore, you would have to hit the MoB very fast before he spits, and even then, the DPS of a skilled UB player will take much more life then a reg could dish out at point blank.  This is not including if he warps on your location, spits immediately, attacks, grasps, attacks, spits.  Have not seen a counter to that unless that person had support.

 

Add: A skilled UB player will also not run into your reg mines, assuming you place them in a populated lane, he will wait until creep waves remove the mines for him.

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Reply #16 April 26, 2009 2:06:13 PM
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I am wondering about one thing, as I regulary play with the Beast - can you actually do something about the mines if you can see them (Bejeweled Goggles?)? I guess not, but it would make sense to be able to destroy them with a ranged attack / skill when they become visible.

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Reply #17 April 26, 2009 7:11:13 PM
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UB is the regulus worst enemy by far. Spit is a real pain. You shouldn't have any trouble as UB vs a reg. Ambush and harass, just stay away from the towers.

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Reply #18 April 28, 2009 11:54:38 PM
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Quoting khemintiri,
reply 13
the thing is the early game makes or breaks the lategame ... so therefore in this case i think who have played overall better then the other player is gonna win , dont forget you can blink when he throws mines

Here is the important point. In the early game Regulus pops so easy that UB can always make him retreat. If you let Regulus get past level 15 then things can change.

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Reply #19 April 29, 2009 4:11:27 PM
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As a regulus, I find I do best when I play as a flag capper/miner/support.  I usually don't bother fighting UB in the early game.  Or any demigod really 1-1, unless I have a cleaer advantage.  I usually just throw down a mine and then retreat.  If you chase me, you follow me into towers.  When you turn around, I snipe you just as you reach the edge of the fog of war.

What I will do is play extremely opportunistically.  If your life drops below 1000 I start watching you, esp. if you're fighting a teammate.  Below 700 and I start readying my snipe, depending if my teammate is continuing to whack on you.  In the time it takes for me to charge my snipe, your health would've dropped low enough for a 500 point Level 1 snipe.  Thus, even though I may not be involved in 1v1 battles, I make any 1v1 battles against my teammates really 2v1 battles.

If I see you on the map far away from me, I'll also snipe you just to make sure you're weakened if we get into a battle.

If you retreat and I can't snipe you, I'll just shoot at towers with my Range upgrade, forcing you to come back or lose your tower, by which time the place might be mined.

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