Minion Enhancing Items

Yeah, it'd probably be better if the items were percentage based, but I definitely find that the minion enhancing items are better to be used on Erebus and Oak.

When going Sedna minions you want to focus on hp regen and armor boost. Since they start with higher hp, It makes them more effective as shock troops. They can quickly overtake towers which erebus will ahve trouble with ngihtwalkers always.

As far as QOT she is splash only get damamge upgrades for them./ 

I would also think minions aura work for there idols mobs ??

So sedna heal aura and speed/health aura works for boths her yetis and her 6 other idol minions.

Ok thx for the suggestions i will try them.

Don't forget that with Wild Swings the Yetis damage nearby enemies for 75% damage.

Just something to keep in mind before you go dismissing Minion +damage on Sedna

, oh yea i cant forget about that ability is my favorite, but i wasent diminishing damage on sedna, i was just saying that maybe minion enhancing items are just nor for her.

Possibly... but if you are thinking in terms of how many minions she has compared to other DG's the Yetis with Wild Swings are worth a lot more than 1 for purposes of this calculation.

Actually yes, now that i think of it, once you get wild swing you get better beneficts from damage enhancing items.

That was my point all along

Yeah they are good when you have maxed out your number of minions. I usually buy them instead of better idols with my generals.

You also have to think about AOE-Spells... Tbs Firenova deals 800 damage to minions... that means that 10 minions will get all in all 800 damage and 4 minions just 3200.... also, the small minions will instandly die, the bigger ones may not.

Don't forget about QoT's mulching ability.

If you stack HP for minions, that means TB won't 1shot your minions, which means you can mulch yourself back to near full health. Living longer could mean higher mana regen (if you stack it), which means more minions. More minions means more damage + mulching.

It's not a perfect scenario, since you spend quiet a bit of mana if your mulching constantly (plus the cooldown), but I've survived 2v1 encounters as QoT's simply due to my minions being able to live through that first hit so I could mulch them.

--Xetoris

Bump, now that people are having a hard time with erebus minion build i thought good to brin this topic back to live.

Higher level Idols are considerably more economical than items.

Having acquired Rank IV idols, items are valuable to boost minion damage if the enemy has no AE or survivabilty if the enemy does.

On the road to Rank IV idols the only items needed are for Mana and/or Demigod survivability.

The real kicker with the so called minion swarm is the vulnerabilty of the General controlling them.

I remember when Generals complained about OP assassins and started beefing themselves up so they wouldn't get farmed so much.

Guess what's about to start happening to all these minion swarm Generals.

Lately I've been playing Torch Bearer, with -55% AA damage from all attackers and the ability to cut down a naked General in seconds, I have absolutely no trouble against a minion swarm.

Regulus should be able to push Erebus out of a lane with tracking and snipe while doing something else.

If you attack 2k hitpoint minions EVER, you are doing something wrong.

I have seen the odd General run off by a Minion Swarm which is kind of hilarious, if the General can't survive a minion swarm how is he going to survive the focused fire of an assassin (the character he should really be worried about) while his minions are doing their thing.

The best single piece of advice I can give is, "Don't go to town without at least one Tower Destroying General and one Assassination specced Assassin"

Shhhhh... Don't give up the secrets...

Fail.

Regulus pushes out a general with SNIPE?!

You missed the part about it being a minion swarm Erebus.

i don't think so.

Fighting on the internet is like winning at the special olympics.

Even when you win you are still Retarded.

Enjoy getting farmed by minion swarms.

i don't understand what you wanna say with your last comment . they only thing i commented was that i do not agree that you can push out a minion erebus out of his lane only using snipe and nothing else. that's purly bullshit. if you can do that then the players failed and you could push him out no matter what dg and build he plays.

edit: in fact i only said that i dnot think that he didn't considered the erebus is minion build. but i share his opinion as i explained in the above lines.

hey man, it's okay take a load off

The concept you seem to be missing about a minion swarm build is the huge cost. No BotF or Duelling skills, Idols instead of items and the need to stay within ear shot of reinforcement battles in order to level.

Now without BotF, and at least Banded to kick the game off Snipe is somewhat effective and with Scaled Helm totally spammable.

The mistake people make with Snipe is shooting at someone with BotF, Banded and/or Priests and expecting to be more effective than a mosquito bite.

A minion swarm General often does not even have the benefit of a nearby priest as they are busy suiciding themselves into towers and like it or not minions all have a relatively high cost to get out, even for Erebus as it is a good two creep waves to replenish the army which is a minute of hanging around the frontline with 3 Snipes worth of health and no cash. Then of course a General basically needs to hang by the front lines anyway in order to level.

Much better is to take Hitpoint and Armor items, BotF and rank I Priests as early as possible. Pick up Bite so you can drive DG's off instead of being driven off the frontline then be patient skilling up minions handling all the tanking of towers yourself.

An Erebus that can Bite, tank a tower, regen and priest heal through Snipes with a relatively powerful dps force in his army is a force to be reckoned with and totally not a MINION SWARM build.

so basicly what you call a minion erebus is an idot that runs together with his minions into towers without BotF, wihtout banded armor and wihtout priest idols? wihtout any hp-regen and without any other allied dg that is pushing the reg?

well yes in THIS special case you could PROBABLY push an erebus minion build out of the lane.

*sigh*

i will tell you somthing... no matter what build you chose as long as the erebus has spend his starting 100 gold into any ot the hp items (no matter if idols or armor) you won't be able to push him out of the lane only with snipes! end of storry!

Please keep things in context, Every Assassin has ways to counter the aforementioned problem(quoted below for clarity) which is giving new players a hard time at the moment. Snipe is an excellent example of one such technique. Even a minion swarm Erebus will be sane enough not to suicide along with his minions into a tower.

Erebus is easily one of the most effective Demigods due mostly to the cheap cost of skill points to get a highly effective synergy of abilities Teleport/High Regen/slow/armor debuff and heal. This allows an Erebus to have the skills needed to slay Demigods of every variety and leaves more than enough points to max out minions.

While each trick is relatively pale compared to it's counterpart in other Demigods no other Demigod can get them all and still max out minions.

The problem people face with the dedicated minion build Erebus is assuming he is as resilient as every other Erebus they have come across. Most minion Swarm Erebus builds forgo even bite in order to skill up their minions as quickly as possible.

the point is your statement that one reg could push back a minion erebus out of his lane only with snipe is purly false!

you cannt do that as long as the erebus does not stand naked and/or without priests.

It is entirely possible for a single Snipe specced Reg to push out a minion LE. If you are going crazy awesome powerful minion build, you ignore your own hp stacking and even early mana stacking in favor of more minions and minion boosting items. And healing idol will only heal for between 150-300 on a pure general every 8 seconds. Snipe can do 250+ every 10-12 seconds. So at level one it isn't such a big deal. But by snipe 2 or 3 it is.

Both myself and a friend have started using minion Oaks and LEs heavily and around level 6 we still only have 2k HP or so. Unless we're doing really good we normally won't have the gold for any hp items till level 10 or so. By this level I know I don't dare get close to the front line and only snatch flags if no one else is around. He has to be more risky with LE but he does the same as well.