Oak Shield + HoL equivalent for all DGs

I had limited success recreating the same effect on other classes with HoL + Orb of Defiance 5 second immunity.  The trick is to hit both within half second of one another and you get effects of HoL going through the immunity of the orb. I'm sure you could even macro the two buttonpresses to be withing .1second of one another if you went to that length. On average I get it to work 2/3 on demigod duels, right in the middle of towers etc.  The times it doesn't work is when I get arrow spam from fortresses/arrow towers, and late game UBs who have spit/ooze/.7sec or less attack speed going off on you, but anything else is not hard to do once you get the timing right.

Making it public so more people start doing it so that stardock nerfs it.

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first of all, Gas Powered Games is the developer/designer. Stardock is the publisher. they don't nerf anything. all changes to the game mechanics come from Gas Powered.

 

second of all, its not something that needs nerfing. two expensive pieces of equipment when used together should provide a good benefit, and they do. Oak's Shield can and should continue to interact well with Heart of Life. its totally fine. you can still interrupt it by the way. use a stun or interrupt on Oak while he's shielded. Shield does not make him immune to stuns and a stun or interrupt will cancel a Heart of Life. 

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Two items I've listed were not meant to be used in conjunction I don't think, I'm fine with oak's shield and HoL myself as a UB player.

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on what grounds do you determine that the two itmes weren't mean to be used together? because the effect is somewhat powerful? so is the effect of combining Vlemish Faceguard and Plenor Battlecrown, thats a huge amount of mana. far more than either item would provide alone. item synergy exists for a reason. if you make good choices you should gain greater benefit from the combination than any piece individually. 

Reply #4 Top

Probably because you are not supposed to be doing anything while using Orb of Defiance. Read what the item description says.

I am not saying it's working as intended, or not; it does sound like an exploit.

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Quoting Retroromanic, reply 4
Probably because you are not supposed to be doing anything while using Orb of Defiance. Read what the item description says.

I am not saying it's working as intended, or not; it does sound like an exploit.
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Summoning more than one type of creep by selling the Idol is an exploit.

Item combinations are not.  You aren't trickign the system to give you more than you are supposed to.  You are using a built in game mechanic.  Unless they say otherwise, doing so is not an exploit.

Reply #6 Top

Call if however you like; if that item is supposed to make you invulnerable for five seconds while not being able to do anything, using HoL prior to it does not change the fact it's abuse of the system.

Or not.

It's not a burning issue anyway.

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Quoting Sean0883, reply 5

Summoning more than one type of creep by selling the Idol is an exploit.
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Is it?  I haven't seen the devs confirm this.  All I see is people b*tching about it back and forth.  It seems if it were an exploit that it would have been summarily nerfed like they did with Erebus bite.

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Quoting Retroromanic, reply 6
Call if however you like; if that item is supposed to make you invulnerable for five seconds while not being able to do anything, using HoL prior to it does not change the fact it's abuse of the system.

Or not.

It's not a burning issue anyway.
End of Retroromanic's quote

 

Does normal regen still go on with Orb of Defiance? I assume so, in which case I would also assume HoL regen is allowed. Although IMO it ought to be interuptable in the same way as shield+HoL.

Reply #9 Top

I'll add my vote to this sillyness.

I don't even think you should be allowed to move while using the HoL.

EDIT: Whoops... I didn't see that this thread was about the orb... I think even the Oak + HoL combo should be nerfed!

Reply #10 Top

It is quite an obvious combo, however it is very weak. The first reason is, it can be interrupted. You can't press the buttons within .1 of one another. I've tried it offline, to remove lag from the equation. My computer is quite powerful, I've never experienced lag in the game except when I minimize and maximize it a couple items in a row. Anyways, when I push HoL and Defiance as fast as I can, only HoL activates - you have to wait a moment between the two items. Thus, it can be easily negated by the attacks in a fight - a rooks archer shoulder, a generals minions, spit or ooze or mist(though it can be timed if experiencing spit or ooze or mist) and any rapid damage, especially the late game super fast normal attacks. Not only that, this combo costs as much as a mageslayer, which gives awesome attack power and life leech, or the other 8k artifact, which means 25% att speed and 24 hp/sec - a formiddable healing that is guaranteed.

Reply #11 Top

HoL was already nerfed guys, and there are way better combos then orb of defiance and HoL.

Oak can sheild then HoL then orb of defiance though i think

Reply #12 Top

Quoting DoKTa_T, reply 7

Quoting Sean0883, reply 5
Summoning more than one type of creep by selling the Idol is an exploit.
Is it?  I haven't seen the devs confirm this.  All I see is people b*tching about it back and forth.  It seems if it were an exploit that it would have been summarily nerfed like they did with Erebus bite.
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1.1 patch notes, all signs point to yes, it is.

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Quoting Sean0883, reply 12

1.1 patch notes, all signs point to yes, it is.
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I only know of one place with 1.1 patch changes, and that doesn't mention HoL or the Oak's shield. Where did you read this?

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It was posted in Frogboy's log. Heart Of Life is having its cooldown doubled, and movedto the artifact shop. Potentially being incrased in price, as well.

Reply #15 Top

Since someone else thought of it and used it.

It's worse with oak. Consider that it will work 100% of the time with oak: Shield + HOL + Orb of defiance.

You are assured of all 3k. (Granted you can't attack for 5 seconds.)

EDIT: I see tassador already mentioned that particular combo.

 

(There's another thing which makes this combo even worse, but since no one has mentioned it, I won't atm.) 

 

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Quoting eobet, reply 13

Quoting Sean0883, reply 12
1.1 patch notes, all signs point to yes, it is.
I only know of one place with 1.1 patch changes, and that doesn't mention HoL or the Oak's shield. Where did you read this?
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Unless Frogboy was just allowing this person to lie without saying so:

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/355935