Accept when you are going to lose

 When the enemy has out DPS, Upgraded, and pushed farther then you accept that it is over. I have been on the losing side of games that it is obvious the other side is going to win and sent out an All Chat saying "You guys win GG". Yet my team tries telling me its not over and that we can still do this, or that I am an idiot.

 Now I do not leave the game, nor do I stop fighting, but it is pointless to expect a comeback in this game. Every time I have called it it was over in just a few minutes. This is not a game that allows for comebacks when the enemy is beating you in EVERY catagory. Just spend the last few minutes having fun and sit it out so the team can get their win.

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Reply #1 Top

Here is a screenshot from a crazy replay I recorded:

 

Note how merely 14 minutes into the game, their Regulus is Godlike. Did we ragequit? No. Did we whine? No. Did we give up? No. And you know what happened? We won. I've attatched the replay so that anyone may verify the win for themselves.

 

How did we win? By playing smart. I've already described what we did in this thread and I don't want to repeat myself:

(thread inaccessible due to some forum bug, will update post later)

 

And here is the replay, as promised:

http://rendari.110mb.com/craziest.zip

 

Moral of this story: No Fear! No Mercy! No surrender!

 

Damn I need some spoilers to post Warhammer 40k pics now :D

 

PS: Instructions on how to watch replays:

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=405375

Reply #4 Top

Nah he just disconnected his computer from the internet and then crushed the AI that replaced everyone.  Using this method you should never actually lose a match. See comebacks are possible. ^_^

 

 

 

just joking Rendari ^_^'

Reply #5 Top

Think I remember that god awful game. My teammates were complete shit and our QoT didn't use a shield.

Reply #6 Top

Unless you have really bad teammates you should never be such a pessimist, there's quite often ways to turn it around if you coordinate with your team.

Reply #7 Top

You can turn games around, but there is always that one point of no return. You know it when it's there :)

Reply #8 Top

Hint: the reason you've not won any games that it seemed like you would lose was because you stopped trying.

 

 

Reply #9 Top

I've made some pretty good comebacks in the past even from teams that farmed our noob asses all the way to top gear. We realized that we couldn't out DPS them so we sold most of our gear, teched to giants, and bought reinforcement damage and armor.

6-7 mins later, GG we won.

Reply #10 Top

I give out a GG when I believe the match is basically lost, but I don't make it any easier for the enemy to win. I like to keep things interesting, for myself and my opponents. ;)

Reply #11 Top

Have a quitting attitude is the same as quitting...  If your goning to mope I'll just play with a bot
Point being
STFU and PLAY!

Reply #12 Top

Quoting sniku2001, reply 12
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Reply #13 Top

Quoting Axyun, reply 9
I've made some pretty good comebacks in the past even from teams that farmed our noob asses all the way to top gear. We realized that we couldn't out DPS them so we sold most of our gear, teched to giants, and bought reinforcement damage and armor.

6-7 mins later, GG we won.

This strategy has also worked for me; if the opponents have NO money to get creep upgrades you can win by mass teching at once.

Reply #14 Top

Had a 2on2 game where both of the opponents got an early lead and ended up 7+ levels above me and my teammate. Since it was on Crucible, you can't do much other then go upfront and fight if you ever want to level, so it essentially ended up a mindless slaughterfest. Opponents ended up getting artifact gear and everything, even making their way into our base. However, thanks to some great footwork on my opponent's part, and some excellent stalling and money management on mine, we ended up getting cats into the enemy base while they were busy trying to storm ours, and ended up destroying their citadel.

Reply #15 Top

Quoting TheGuildfordStrangler, reply 14
Had a 2on2 game where both of the opponents got an early lead and ended up 7+ levels above me and my teammate. Since it was on Crucible, you can't do much other then go upfront and fight if you ever want to level, so it essentially ended up a mindless slaughterfest. Opponents ended up getting artifact gear and everything, even making their way into our base. However, thanks to some great footwork on my opponent's part, and some excellent stalling and money management on mine, we ended up getting cats into the enemy base while they were busy trying to storm ours, and ended up destroying their citadel.

 

I think that's more of a flaw of Crucible than smart play (no offense). Your teammate was probably erebus... teleported over, caplocked their flag, then teleported back to the artifact shop, capped the flag, while you sold what gear you had and bought catas (or your erebus came back and helped, which would leave you guys with a bit more gear or consumables.

Although if your teammate wasn't erebus, I really have to find out how he managed to run past enemies in artifact gear 7 levels above you; wand of speed + you stunning them?

Although your enemies probably should have teleported to their citadel to stop it... I'm reminded of the one time my ally was a Torchbearer, but stood in the tower farm while the enemy ran past him, capped our portal, and let giants smash it.... right as I had teleported off to get a girdle of the giants (to farm the enemy giants). Suffice to say, I didn't have time to run back, and despite telling my teammate "SAVE THE CITADEL" as much as I could, he.... didn't. :(

Reply #16 Top

Also, a lot of times there is a difference between "behind" and "no chance of winning." While I admit, a comeback from the enemy being godlike is unlikely unless his teammates were shit (after all, godlike is... a dozen kills? That's, at minimum, assuming they were somehow all on you at level one, 7200 gold and a ton of EXP, with a reasonable amount for that [with your level at 7] being 10k.), sometimes you can be down a bit but not lose. EX: One time I was playing with an Oak and I was UB. They were TB and a Tower Rook.

Well, I knew we didn't have any shot at getting much early advantage (Tower Rook is hard to beat at low levels, and TB just farms faster than everybody else), but we just avoided being killed, got down in Warscore, but eventually hit the levels and gear to where TB could barely do anything and their Rook (who had actually been smart and teched into hammer smash + boulder roll instead of going pure towers like a lot of people do) just couldn't take both of us at once while we kept TB constantly going back to the health crystal.

However, what if that situation were reversed? What if, through some absurd amount of skill, masterful planning, or by using a buy/sell trick to allow UB to get his basic gear, but give something to Oak to sell so he could buy a wand of speed instantly and gank people early on (that's probably unlikely, but it's possible and it's a good example.) Or maybe the TB and Rook just played like crap. Well, either way, their team is at a disadvantage during the prime levels they should have an advantage (or for TB, during any stage when he can get enough EXP from creeps to keep his level advantage despite the fact that creeps give him the same EXP.) So that is hard to comeback from; you can't outgear an enemy who can push better than you (without flag locking the enemy gold flag or the enemy getting priests). You also can't wait until you hit levels where you have an advantage, because you are already at your advantage. Therefore, you are dead.

 

I also think that it is impossible to make a comeback with a horrible teammate (definitely in 2v2s, and almost impossible in 3v3s). When I say horrible, I don't mean "overextends himself a bit and has a bad build" though those certainly are bad traits that can hurt a team. I mean "goes into obviously suicidal battles, doesn't run, does not stick with teammates, and has some kind of belief that getting off two autoattacks on the citadel is worth getting killed [teams of all Last Stand Oaks group suiciding at the enemy Citadel with Soul Power in full effect to take it down instantly notwithstanding.] Basically, if you have a really bad teammate, unless you can tell your opponents are bad, you've lost. Frequently, I quit matches (with a GG and "sorry for the 30 seconds of lag") when my teammate acts like this; there's no way I'm going to win with a Sedna that went healing aura/yetis and charges at the citadel every time she respawns.

 

So in summary: If you can level into an advantage, you can make a comeback. If you can backdoor easily [not a bad thing, although it unfairly favors Erebus] or hold a choke on big monsters [bad; even giants are a bad idea against a decent team with AoE on Crucible], you can make a comback. If you can't level into a comeback, it's probably over. If your teammate is horribly suicidal and essentially makes it a 2 vs 3 nightmare demigods, you aren't going to win.

 

Also, on the game with the big comeback; you guys probably hit your ideal level range. The thing is, all of your characters (besides TB) hit their ideal peak at about level 15 (well, 10 if it was an Ooze UB, but that coincides well with a mines Erebus as well, so if you went Ooze UB, mines Erebus,and a combo TB, you were very close to a really big advantage.) The other team... not so much. QoT really peaks at... level 1, when she is invulnerable with shield. She can be good if played well, and certainly should almost never die, but it's really hard to push with her in anything but 1v1 games because she just can't kill anybody. If she didn't have shield, she has no really useful trait. Regulus peaks at either 10 (mines) 15 (snipe, which I presume is what he was doing to get so many kills. Though he is really strong past 10 no matter what, and at 10 he gets his biggest snipe, so that is arguably his peak) or... I'm not sure where for AA builds. Erebus hits his peak at 10.

 

So basically, the enemy had a bad QoT that was way away from her peak levle area, while you were about to get to a point where all of your demigods were at their (skill based) best, while the enemy at best had just Erebus and Regulus synergizing, which wouldn't match the power of three. Not only that, but your team had up to two stunners (UB and Erebus) and up to three slowers (Regulus with mines/main, TB's ice rain, and UB's diseased claw), which synergizes incredibly well; with a regulus laying mines down while UB charges in and grasps and TB starts his ice combo and ice nova's right as TB finishes his stun, you've essentially chainstunned the enemy for a huge amount of slowing and about 6k damage, which is simply absurd. Even in a 3v3 with the enemy outgearing you, they just don't have the kind of chainstun ganking ability your team has, and having a shit QoT who wouldn't shield them (which would mitigate the damage immensly) just made things worse.

Reply #17 Top

no one cares what you did. saying there is no chance of comeback makes quitting at the end the viable solution, not sitting there

 

 

ps, there is a chance, but if you aren't going to try, sitting in game doesn't do much

Reply #18 Top

Quoting woca, reply 17
no one cares what you did. saying there is no chance of comeback makes quitting at the end the viable solution, not sitting there

 

 

ps, there is a chance, but if you aren't going to try, sitting in game doesn't do much

 

He never said he sat around. Read the thread. It's times like these that really made me wish excessive flaming wasn't going to get me banned and/or that I could give negative karma; I hate people who don't read and then talk out of their ass.

Reply #19 Top

Never give up. Most of the time there is a way to come back from losing and you'll never ever get one of those "omgwtf how did we win that was AWESOME" games with that sort of mentality. I have come back from certain losses many times by now.

 

Now you are telling everyone to accept when you think you are going to lose... great.

Reply #20 Top

Quoting Milskidasith, reply 18

Quoting woca, reply 17no one cares what you did. saying there is no chance of comeback makes quitting at the end the viable solution, not sitting there

 

 

ps, there is a chance, but if you aren't going to try, sitting in game doesn't do much
 

He never said he sat around. Read the thread. It's times like these that really made me wish excessive flaming wasn't going to get me banned and/or that I could give negative karma; I hate people who don't read and then talk out of their ass.

 

he said just sit and have fun.... he also said he knew he was going to lose

saying you already lost is almost like doing nothing, just giving up

just sitting in game for sitting in games sake is absolutely stupid.

Oh hey, i'm gonna lose, so you know what, I'll sit at my computer the next 5-15 mins waiting to finalize

you guys need to pull your heads out of your behinds and realize it's not honorable, its not nice, its just a waste

 

either play through with coinfidence or quit when you think the game is done, you aren't doing anyone a favor by sitting there for a lot of time

 

Reply #21 Top

You can certainly come back in this game.  I posted a while back where my team had our 52K citidal down to 3K when the waves finally stopped because we went and capped their portals while they were beating down our cit.  So the waves stopped and maybe we were lucky but the 3 demigods had to retreat.

We came back and won that game.

Had one other game similar to the original poster where pretty quickly we got killed quite a bit and quite a few of our towers were down.  Had someone on my team say "GG, we're done" already at that point.  I said "you've got to be kidding".  We came back and won that game too.

Sure I've had plenty of comebacks burn up in fire and we still lost but it can happen and there is nothing more satisfiing then that.

Reply #22 Top

It is certainly possible to come back in this game but from what I have observed, combacks generally hinge on the opponents team playing badly/making poor choices/being poorly coordinated and not your team playing well.  I'm sure it's been discussed ad infinitum but the game mechanics for killing other players pushes you down a very slippery slope.  Everything in this game effectively revolves around gold and the winning team will have more to play around with.  Assuming they don't spend their gold poorly they should always be one step ahead.

Reply #23 Top

I am so sick of people whining 'Well thats it, GG" after like 7 minutes of playing and being behind 1-2kills and 1 war score. Seriously, are their really such whiny emo people around? If you are so delicate as to not stand being behind at all in a video game do the rest of us a favor and play single player only.

I would say more than half of the games I win I end up slightly behind at the beginning. The difference is having teamates that dont quit and keep trying. Even if you lose so what? Nothing is more satisfying than finally getting that kill on the player that had been owning you earlier, even if you lose the match revenge tastes delicious :D