Demigod Rant (Part 2)

They had others things to fix before that...

Well, you do need a Vlemish....and a Heart of Life eventually.  Fortunately the heart doesn't take up a slot!

Oak is good counter to UB. So is sedna. His AOE damages himself, so can be siutational and there arent enough points to get all his goodies. Also regulus seems to get more kills then UB, assuming he knows how to team well.

Only because he steals them all with snipe.

That is part of the game. Makes you really pay attention to your health.

In my experience both Sedna and Oak can both stand up to UB pretty well with minimal minion support.  Sedna will out-last you with constant heals and pounce spam, whereas Oak will wear you down with penitence plus they can always sucker punch you with Shield + HoL, which foul grasp cannot stop.

On the point of HP stacking;  Agreed it's pretty boring, items/gameplay needs balancing so that health stacking is simply one of many viable strategies, instead of being THE best strategy for the vast majority of the time.  I do see crit stacking and slow stacking from time to time but it is mainly HP.

On the point of giants:  Maybe I'm still too noob but I have found that pushing to catapults can sometimes be enough, GIANTS OR NOTHING is not the best solution to every situation.

all i see is,

BWAAAAAAAA

BWAAAAA

BWA BWA

BWAAAAAAAA

that happens cause you still dont understand The right settings:

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/353515

use these options and the games will be more fun and more strategic

unluckily im always way too much ahead of the rest of the world but eventually others will understand

First off, the top DG in the game is Regulus in terms of win percentage.  UB is tied with Rook for 2nd place.  If the imbalance was as horrible as you say and making the game nearly unplayable, UB would be on the top by several percentage points.  People must be doing something right if UB is not at the top of the demigod leaderboards.

Kills do not mean imbalance.  Some DG's are better at getting kills than others, just like some are better at being mobile and geting more flag captures, or having siege abilities that are better at destroying buildings.  If you think that kills are the only measure for DG balance, you really need to reassess your perspective on this game.

It is very possible to win a match where you give up more kills than your opponent.

I don't even know what to say to this. You seriously need to try and play UB because you obviously have no idea that he needs at least 2 helms to have the mana necessary to spit and stun and burst other people down like you are talking about.  This isn't some set of free magical abilities they handed to him that he can spam as soon as its off cooldown.  UB like many other DGs in the game acutally needs mana to use special attacks!

And on the point of the Giants. Wow.... just wow. If someone can hold you off while stockpiling enough gold to buy all those upgrades in one fell swoop, then you seriously need to look at other games to play, or maybe just stick to single player for a bit longer.  Or maybe turn the freaking tower health back down to normal... you might wanna start there.

I play an Ooze UB a lot.

With this build it is impossible to take down buildings effectively, until you are massively overlevelled.

Against Tower Rooks, the build sucks a lot, also early game I rarely get a lot of kills with it.

An advantage of UB is that it is fairly simple to play, you can have a lot more awareness. This gains me more kills than simple charge in and auto attack. Backing up allies or TPing in to ninja someone.

This compared to Sedna, where having to fiddle about with who I am aiming, do I need to heal, what are my minions hitting, do I need to Pounce etc. I can miss a lot of opportunities.

I would say that UB needs to be toned down a little, make it a little less effective, possibly having a small mana cost with it to rather than just health.

Against good players, UB can have a hard time, it is not insta-win. I have also had Regulus far out do me in kills.

Regulus isn't a good player all he is is a massive kill steal. Half of his kills are normally a last second snipe when they were already dead. And the other half are because at level 7 mines deals 1200 damage every 8 seconds. Place it behind them then you snipe them and 2000 damage to a runner.

For people who say UB isn't a hard win whats wrong with you. I ABSOULTELY LOVE THIS GAME. I play it quite a bit and from my ratio i'm REALLY good at it too but in the begining of the game as torchbearer i find it insanely hard to kill both UB and regulus.

I say spit should have a counter that doesn't cost a favor slot.

In my mind all i say is nerf these 3 characters in the ways described:

UB: Tone early game spit down.

Regulus: Make mines cooldown more around 20 and snipe should mean you ahve to have line of sight THE WHOLE TIME YOU ARE CHARGING. This makes tracking bug even more useful.

Sedna: MAKE HER DIE. Any good player i see play as sedna never dies. I've even seen a UB and me as Torchbearer go at her and still she made it behind towers.

Regarding Unclean Beast, I just don't think that the description is accurate.  In response to the original post, I think that all of the characters were made to feel overpowered, so that people would look at each one individually and say "I can't believe this character has all of these good abilities put together".  Maybe they didn't accomplish that as well with every character, but I do think they tried.

Still, it seems easy to me to see UB's shortcomings.  His only ranged attack is spit, his AoE damage sucks, and he has to rely heavily on his basic attack for damage, and in my personal experience, this tends to result in UB having a very difficult time in most combat situations.  It is easy to harrass him from afar until he is forced to flee, and if he does get in close, usually it is possible to escape into your towers.  It is generally only when I extend myself very far out of safety that UB is a problem.  I also do not often see UB with a good kill ratio.

Though if UB is getting amazing kill ratios in everyone's game besides me, then, I don't think it's fair to say "Well, Regulus also has a good kill ratio."  Most of Regulus's kills can typically be chalked up to the efforts of a teammate: while he gets the kill credit for a snipe, he wouldn't have been able to do it without a teammate's successful fight beforehand.  So a strong kill-ratio is not an indication that Regulus is of equal power to UB.

I do agree with the original poster that plus health/armor items are very powerful, and that builds which do not stack these things are usually worse than builds which do.  Or at least, I believe this is true when playing as UB.  I don't think this is true when playing as every character.  I feel that some characters can get away with damage-based builds.

As for saving up until giants, well I don't think that's true.  But it probably true that saving up until catapults and buying priests/angels/catapults all at once is a good strategy.  Many of my games don't even make it past catapults.

UB gets the most kills because that's his job. He really can't do much else. He's the Jason Voorhees of Demigod. So how do suggest that we "gimp" him, because your post is rather vague, and for the most part all I see is baseless complaining.

If your opponents can afford to upgrade to giants, they could have just bought a mageslayer with money to spare. You'd probably lose either way.

CONCUR!

When I really think about most of the kills I get as UB, it is really down to bad play by the opponents.

Running late from engagement, not understanding how Ooze works, not watching for teleport warnings while sitting on flags.

Easy stuff that would have prevented their death.

Clever opponents will be trying to kiting me, or hit and running or calling in friends to back them up.

My Kill ratio only looks blatently out of line later on the game, where I have been able to turn a couple of kills and grunt farming into a lot of HP. People have not invested in their armour and get wasted quickly, then call it OP.

I rarely get creamed by a UB, I think TB, Reg and Rook in the right hands are far more dangerous assassins.

Unclean Beast is indeed overpowered, along with Regulus.

One thing about Unclean beast is he has no weak point in the game. He is very strong early, mid-game, and late-game, unlike Oak for example who is quite weak early but is good later on, or other Demigods who are strong early game like Bramble Shield spammer QoT but who noticably fade later on. Unclean Beast even has an obsolete skill which no one uses, Bestial Wrath, and still managed to wtf pwn.

An Unclean Beast with Spit, Ooze, and Foul Grasp is next to impossible to kill 1v1, especially past level 15. Acclimation is SICK! Doesn't have a recharge it appears so for 5 seconds you take 40% less damage every time you take over 500 from anything. 40% is huge! And you're reducing your opponents attack speed by 40% as well with ooze which has a staggering effect, not to mention it's free AND their taking over 100 damage per second too.

About health stacking: I very much agree, health stacking is way too good right now. People should NOT be running around with 4 times their original level 1 health at level 8. Most health items should be toned down. Blood of the fallen should be nerfed down to +600, banded armor should cost 700g and Unbreakable Boots should cost 2000g.

As for the giants comment, I don't really agree with that, a huge amount of games are decided before someone gets giants, though priests and angels could certainly use buffs, especially angels.

UB is not OP.

A spit build UB has a high killing potential, but can outlasted by an Oak, Sedna, or tower Rook. Not to mention spit has about 6 counters.

An ooze build UB has a ton of health and armor, but is lacking in the range and damage department, making it harder to get kills. An ooze UB has to constantly update his hps items to keep up with ooze's health cost, so if he doesn't have the gold to do so he's screwed. Finally, an Oak can often outlast an ooze UB as well.

A hybrid build is extremely strong late-game, but piss-poor early game and mediocre mid-game due to the fact that you have to get both +mana and hps items to effectively use both skills and skimp out on passives. Since your late-game performence is largely dependant on how your early and mid-game was a hybrid build is usually ineffective with UB.

Finally, UB in general is the killing machine, the Jason Voorhees of Demigod. He's the best at the game when it comes to killing things, but he pretty much sucks at everything else since there's always a DG that can do it better.  Rook is a better lane pusher, TB is a better creeper, etc. If you can take away UB's ability to kill you you've effectively made him useless.

i'm just gonna go ahead and toss out the       

sorry, somebody had to. 

UB IS OP is completely rediculous unless UB can bet ANY CHARACTER AT ANY TIME during the game.  IS UB invicible 1 v Any 1 character at the start of the game? Is he OP at level 13 over any char?  If the game is balanced well, mathematically, that means if regulus buys x item + x item + X favor at level 1, then the best anyone could do is match him.  Truly balanced means that.  If I attack one guy non stop, then we both die means balanced.  This really shouldn't be hard to understand.  If you are awesome and your opponent is just as good, then neither should lose.  You are saying that you can't win because UB is OP.  I disagree and say that I can match UB exactly or defeat with my best character. 

Anyway.. totally silly blah blah is op... but its the internet... enjoy yourself

u dont always need hol infin    ub is op some times

For someone who seems to hate UB so much, I find it interesting that you've logged twice as much time as UB than any other single Demigod according to your online statistics. Maybe if you spent more time as another character learning to counter UB than playing as the Demigod you claim to be "ZOMG DEV ONLY CHARACTER CUZ HIS SO OP!1!1!!" you wouldn't need to make posts like this.

UB is one of the most kite-able Demigod's in the game and is easily taken down if you use your head, tactics and abilities.

i think there should be better ways to counter ub  like u can only counter grasp if you have someone near u  who can stun him  and spit can only be countered with a debuff remover

imo ub has too many debuffers    claws spit  ooze grasp  plague  that is 5

hmm i can't think off another demi who has five