lvl 5 player auto attacking for 500, crit for 1k

So I just came from a game where a lvl 5 oak was autoattacking for 500 damage, not criting for 500, auto attacking. I've run through every setup I can imagine at lvl 5 on demigoddb and cannot make any loadout to match this. Not even a straight dps build. I won't post the names but they seemed to think it was funny to watch oak take out 3 demigods of the same lvl, by himself, simply because we could not do enough damage to him before he auto attacked us to death, and couldnt outrun him even with swift anklet and boots.This was not minon damage you could watch the 500 hp attacks and hit just auto attacked. When i ask him how he accomplished this he judt laughed and said that no one could figure out his build.

Please understand something, I'm not a noob, I just cant find any setup that would give this kind of dps at that lvl without an insane amount of gold, which would not have been available at that point in the game.

At the end of the game, conceded for obvious reasons, the players highest gold on there team made 17200 gold.

 

Any idea's?

 

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Reply #1 Top

I've just drawn up 2 builds that would do 500ish dmg and 1kish crits. But he would need at least 15k gold. There's an artifact called Bracelet of Rage that will add 300 dmg to your attacks for 10 seconds. And if he got gauntlets that give 10% chance for a x2 crit then that could easily be accomplished. However, that would mean that he would of had to of gotten 4-7 kills on yall early on. However, both of these builds only allow him to have a maximum of 3k life early on.

The cheaper build is him buying every damage gauntlets and using Penitence on you before attacking you. This build would also allow him to slowly build up so long as he was much better than your team.

Reply #2 Top

Edit : Well, just tested it a bit, entirely doable if he's fed two or three kills and you're not wearing any armor + penitence. He can just about reach about 300-350 just whilst being naked with penitence if you have low armor.

Reply #3 Top

Some combination of Penitence, Raise Dead Wards, Soul Power, and +weapon damage items would probably do it, especially if there was a +10% damage flag on the map. As for the criticals it was probably Slayer's Wraps.

Reply #4 Top

Ring of Divine Might, 3 Spirits, Penitence lvl 2, Soul Power lvl 2, Gauntlets of Brutality, Slayer's Wraps- Bang we got no less than 390 damage at lvl 5 as auto-attack + chance to crit for 800+

Reply #5 Top

guess i should have mentioned he had a bit over 5k health as well, which is why I was so confused as to how he reached such a high auto attack early on as well as health. He also had lvl 3 priest.  Again the game ended he was at lvl 9 with 17200 gold total so i cant imaging he had maybe half that at lvl 5.

 

thanks for the work on figuring it out thus far too.

Reply #6 Top

you should also mention how many kills, deaths, and assists he had compared to the rest of the players and when he did most of his killing.

As for the HP. If they owned the flag that would be like +500hp or so. Sigil of Vitality increases hp another 50% and lasts 20 seconds. Either of these plus just 1 or 2 smaller hp items should bump him up to around 5k.

Reply #7 Top

What demi were you playing, and what items did you have? We need to know your rough armor.

Reply #8 Top

UB   This is from demigoddb on the build I had at lvl 5. No one died before lvl 5 so no he had no kills at that point. He would chase you out of a lane and you would be next to dead before he hit you 4 times, mind you thats without even trying to attack him just running away from the insane damage.

 

Health 3690 ( 5465.628 Modified Armored Health )
Mana 3358
Armor 1203 (32.5% Weapon Damage Mitigation)
Evasion 0%
Movement Speed 6.3
Rate of Fire 0.7864
Damage 184 - 204 (194)
Attack Time 1.27 (+8%)
Damage Per Second 153
Health Per Second 23.09
Mana Per Second

19.69

Reply #9 Top

Quoting Ripdog2k, reply 8
UB   This is from demigoddb on the build I had at lvl 5. No one died before lvl 5 so no he had no kills at that point. He would chase you out of a lane and you would be next to dead before he hit you 4 times, mind you thats without even trying to attack him just running away from the insane damage.
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With 30% damage reduction and no kills it's not possible to legitimitely reach 500 autoattack damage at level 5 as solo oak.

At level 5 the benefits you can get are +100 damage through soul power 2 and 3 spirits active, +10% through penitence and then maybe +50 or so from items if you are getting nice gold. On a 0 armor target that's barely enough to scrape 400 damage autoattacks. Now, with no gold and 30% damage reduction? Are you sure there weren't armour reducing effects on you like QoT groundspikes or erebus bite? Was there a damage flag as well?

Reply #10 Top

Also possible Oak's teammates gave up their items to give to Oak.

 

:fox:

Reply #11 Top

Quoting Kitkun, reply 10
Also possible Oak's teammates gave up their items to give to Oak.
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Kitkun beat me to it. With 0 team support, this is the only legitamate way Oak's damage could have risen so high. But my bet is he had some teammate support in there.

UNLESS you mean he had 500 unmitigated, and 350 or so on Demis, which is an entirely different story....

Reply #12 Top

naw im not talking about 500 unmitigated. He was hitting me as ub with the above stats for 500 on auto attack. Which is why i was like wtf with 1203 armor?????  I didnt see him using penitence either, which might help with that, he literally would just run at you and auto attack. He was by himself the whole game, and even with me as UB, regulus mining him, and our oak hitting him we could not manage to take him even to half health.

The map was cataract so no dmg flags or anything either.

Reply #13 Top

Also should point out that if he had a queen of thorns or erebus ally, they can suck away your armor. If you get negative armor, things go south very very fast.

Reply #15 Top

Well this becomes interesting. I have never seen nor heard of this. But I hope we can get to the bottom of it.

Reply #16 Top

His name wasn't 'Frogboy' was it? *_*

Reply #17 Top

Were his teammates somewhat weak? That would indicate some sort of item sharing.

 

I hope the answer isn't as simple as "hacks."

Reply #18 Top

It would be next to impossible to hack Demigod, as it would cause a game desync error for all players involved.

Reply #19 Top

Quoting Epiphenomenon, reply 17
Were his teammates somewhat weak? That would indicate some sort of item sharing.

 

I hope the answer isn't as simple as "hacks."
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I'm much more inclined to believe the OP is simply mistaken in his memory of the encounter, or is embellishing, than that there was any kind of hacking. Seems much more likely.

Reply #20 Top

Ripdog2k -

 

Are we talking about this game: http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/723126/player/32242/ ?

If so, was it Ronin or the Communist?

We can try to put together some feed scenarios to explain it..

 

Or maybe the player in question feels like providing his own explanation ^^

Reply #21 Top

this is the perfect example of the need for REPLAYS. hurry up GPG plz.

 

Reply #22 Top

i agree with the need for replays and how they accomplished thier build, and yes that was the match. the other demigods were not as strong as this one oak but they were most definetly not weak so I really doubt they gave up items. I didn't want to mention names because I would want hard evidence before anyone went calling people "hackers" and thats generally where it goes when you mention names, but since you looked them up, it was The Communist. I find his record a little suspect as well. Only 1 loss? Possible yes but probable?

Its not really a question of being upset about a loss either, I really could care less. Its the fact that I simply cannot put together how you could have increased health and the insane auto attack damage through the armor at such a low lvl and I have never faced a build where I took that much damage from an autoattack since the day this game came out, not even at high lvls until someone gets all artifacts in a dps build.

What the game reminded me of was watching someone play a single player game with a trainer program. There was simply no way to kill him and almost no way to run away from his insane autoattack dmg.

Reply #23 Top

per Regabond I'd go with a Bracelet of Rage feed on this one, but I think we are missing a bit of gold somewhere for the High Priests and high health (even with sigil) and probably a couple of cheap DPS items.  In lieu of replays:

Did they down any of your towers? 
Are you absolutely certain no one on your team died before Oak became uber? 
Did they control your gold flag, if so, was it for any length of time? 
Did your team upgrade to priests at war rank 3? 
What were war ranks at when Oak became SuperOak?

The team you were fighting is a premade or at least organized, and neither Reg nor Oak *need* items to stay strong as long as they have a powerful ally so that strategy makes sense, but we just need a few more of the pieces

Reply #24 Top

It also needs to be known if the settings for the match were 'High Gold'.

 

If that were the case it would be feesible for Oak to atleast obtain slayers and gauntlets of brutality on his own, or, have one teamate buy those and feed him some health items while he saved for Mageslayer.

 

It's worth noting that DemigodDB doesn't update damage statistic for either Soul Power or Sprits.  So you have to add that to the value you come up with independently, right?  Doing that you can get him almost to 380ish with just a couple items. 

Assuming nothing you've said is exagerated, they wouldve had to feed him items.  You just can't do it on a 17xxx budget without it being fed, and taking into account that the budget was only so big after he killed you so much.  I have a hard time believing that was the budget if you killed you so easilyl, and seeing as how the game lasted 23 mins.  Even on normal maps thats what, 4 gold a second for 23 mins = 5520 gold.  Soldiers give 4, and archers give 8 apiece, and he would've had to have been on a lane for that extra gold, which is around what 36 gold every 20 or 30 seconds?  But then you gotta subtract the gold generated from level 5+, as that income doesn't count towards the point were trying to get at. 

Basically, you paint a pretty hard picture.  The only item that would allow him to do that has already been called out by others as Bracelt of Rage, under its +300 affect.  Which would pretty much get him there with just soul power and minions.  He easily meets 500ish for those 10 seconds.  The only way for him to have got that, or any other configuration, is for them to have given him items to sell back off for it.  Even with magical coin purse, thats still, 12600 gold.  Divided by 3 its 4200.  Which, considering creeps and regular gold intake, is feasible.  It's more than feasible if you had it on high gold income, or lost any towers, or had a death early on that you can't seem to recall.

 

I can come up with other configurations that get 380-450, but can't have a feasible gold condition, or leaveing any slots open for Health Items. 

 

If you were even the slightest bit uncertain about some of your memory, it would give many more options to consider.  But from the sounds of it, he killed you a lot...so he couldve easily thrown in 2-3 health items and upgraded to high priests after those first couple kills, and perhaps you didnt really pay attention to his health the first encounter since the face rape was so unexpected. 

 

Thats the most logical answer I can come up with, and the only thing that seems possible given your story.

Reply #25 Top

Quoting Tsumerius, reply 24
It also needs to be known if the settings for the match were 'High Gold'.

 

If that were the case it would be feesible for Oak to atleast obtain slayers and gauntlets of brutality on his own, or, have one teamate buy those and feed him some health items while he saved for Mageslayer.

 

It's worth noting that DemigodDB doesn't update damage statistic for either Soul Power or Sprits.  So you have to add that to the value you come up with independently, right?  Doing that you can get him almost to 380ish with just a couple items. 

Assuming nothing you've said is exagerated, they wouldve had to feed him items.  You just can't do it on a 17xxx budget without it being fed, and taking into account that the budget was only so big after he killed you so much.  I have a hard time believing that was the budget if you killed you so easilyl, and seeing as how the game lasted 23 mins.  Even on normal maps thats what, 4 gold a second for 23 mins = 5520 gold.  Soldiers give 4, and archers give 8 apiece, and he would've had to have been on a lane for that extra gold, which is around what 36 gold every 20 or 30 seconds?  But then you gotta subtract the gold generated from level 5+, as that income doesn't count towards the point were trying to get at. 

Basically, you paint a pretty hard picture.  The only item that would allow him to do that has already been called out by others as Bracelt of Rage, under its +300 affect.  Which would pretty much get him there with just soul power and minions.  He easily meets 500ish for those 10 seconds.  The only way for him to have got that, or any other configuration, is for them to have given him items to sell back off for it.  Even with magical coin purse, thats still, 12600 gold.  Divided by 3 its 4200.  Which, considering creeps and regular gold intake, is feasible.  It's more than feasible if you had it on high gold income, or lost any towers, or had a death early on that you can't seem to recall.

 

I can come up with other configurations that get 380-450, but can't have a feasible gold condition, or leaveing any slots open for Health Items. 

 

If you were even the slightest bit uncertain about some of your memory, it would give many more options to consider.  But from the sounds of it, he killed you a lot...so he couldve easily thrown in 2-3 health items and upgraded to high priests after those first couple kills, and perhaps you didnt really pay attention to his health the first encounter since the face rape was so unexpected. 

 

Thats the most logical answer I can come up with, and the only thing that seems possible given your story.
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Gold couldn't have been high, he only earned 17.5 the whole match.