Erub Minions- How to Counter?

First of all wich demigod are you playing with? , thats the first point, but in any case, im a little rusty but AoE is the answer, they die pretty quicly from most AoEs if you play as sedna and does not have AoE, well i dont know what to tell you i havent played vs Erebus a lot.

Minion Oak build.

minion oak, ROFL

ooze UB, Sedna, TB, Rook, Minion QoT all counter Minion Erebus fine

If you try and use TB, and alert player will just go assassin Erebus and crush you that way.

I'd also love to know how builds with no AoE are going to counter a minion build "just fine".  It takes a while to take out 20+ minions (which a minion Erebus can get by a pretty early level actually) when they have 2k hps each and you have no AoE.

Well the thing that I've noticed playing the minion Erub is that TB is actually really easy to kill. AoE isn't even a problem really. I just laugh as my 2k health minions beat the crap out of everything. Then you add endgame that the minions give back hp. Its just rediculous.

Btw I was running an assassin oak build that does really good against almost anything else. It just to me seems like Erub is just the best because he just beats on you plus minions then bites for heals. Crazy amounts of damage going on. I'm trying to stay away from OP... because I don't think that it is. And I'm not asking becuase I lost to it and I'm out here whining. I use him too and it just seems too easy ya know?

Sedna heals are no problem either cuz the damage is too much. The only time I don't get kills with the build is if the enemy just runs.

Anyone else?

Oozy Beast, Freezy Torch, Slammer Rook, Mass Charm Erebus with some form of AoE (including towers), Spiky QoT

It takes multiple AOE's at once which you must coordinate AFTER they've used horn of battle (so basically takes 2 waves of concentrated AOE). After you've done this, the Erebus is not even in the vicinity and you've done no damage to him whatsoever, depleted a lot of mana, suffered massive damage to yourself and/or towers, and probably lost some warscore or flags for having 2 people bash minions for a full 15-30 seconds, but hey! you killed those minions.

Also, Erebus has been farming a creep lane the whole time, and you'll have another wave coming in about 20 seconds.

This is an exaggeration but the underlying point is valid. Hence why the horn range must be nerfed and the bug fixed.

Frankly any AOE ability in the game can counter Erubus minions without too much trouble with one exception. Erubs uses horn of battle and his minions become invincible; at that point there is no hero in the game that can stand toe to toe with the minions and you are boned (unless you get your teammates to hammer them with another AOE at the exact same time). Yes it's OP but instead of trying to complain here are three counters to this this I have found to be effective.

1. Ignore the minions and target Erubus himself. If he has gone full minion build Erubus himself will be pretty weak. Try to kite minions and hit him while keeping distance from minions. If he has bite eirly on his minions are not going to pose the same problem and can be smashed by most heros before targeting him.

2. Yes using horn make minions invincible but in between they are venerable and horn is on a 45 sec cool down. Wait until horn run out then smash the minions. He will constantly have to replenish his minions and because he is using a pure minion build is Erubus is very week without them. Smash him.

3. Beef up your towers damage to level 2. Level 2 health is not a bad idea either. Not the cheapest of counters but, it can certainly put the hurt on his minions. Depending on how he has built his minions, level 2 towers with a nicely timed AOE spell can sometimes kill his minions even with horn activated. Still it's expensive but much cheaper than Artifact counters which is ultimately what you need but are usually too impoverished to get, since you are pushed around a lot.

These are really your only options for dealing with a Erubus pure minion build and even then its really hard to deal with. Ultimately though if you have the gold the only REAL counter to this are Artifacts. Girdle of the Giants is the best counter (makes all auto attacks AOE) and Ashkandor rocks for someone like Regulus, but honestly. If you had the money for those items in a regular game we wouldn't be having this discussion.

P.S. On a side not I have had someone mention to me that Regulus using Angelic Furry and using Girdle of the Giants doubles his attack power (or AOE attacks at least). Can anyone confirm or deny this?




Remember if all else fails ganks work wonders

You guys do know that level 2 erub minions have 750 hp right? Thats not easy. No matter wich way you look at it. Plus you add the horn, ya rediculous. Anyway... apparently there is no real counter. I guess the best way to do it is to fight him 2v1... which doesn't seem right at all. Plus the fact that erub gets his creeps for free as apposed to Oaks res flag or the high mana cast of yetis. Still trying to figure something out.

No one was complaining. I'm honostly trying to figure out if there is an effective way to beat this.

Same here. I never put in the OP that I was using horn. I was using the damage up items. Still, even if erub goes straight minions. Bite slows you enough to get away and heals. Meanwhile his minions are bashing you. Also ganking works on anyone. Its not exactly something I would consider to be a "counter". Maybe the tower upgrades. I always grab health but didn't really think the plus attack would be useful against it.

Ooze UB cant stand 1v1 against LE Minions build + Horn. Checked. While you're trying to catch LE , his minions with the horn destroys all your towers.

mmmm yea, LuckyGrin did this but he lost

What did You use to kill him ? BOTF as a favor and clean Ooze build ?

just as info:

although oze ub is a very nice counter ooze is by far not enough to kill his minons if he has the right itemization and build. but ooze reduces the minions dmg by up to 40% thus giving you enough time to kill the erebus. of course if he uses mist just step out and attack the minions till he stops mist.

spit+ooze ub > all

i find spit+ooze less effective than pure ooze build. there are many reasons why. but one very important is the itemization due to the much more needed mana. the time when i could spare mana for a spit it does not make any difference anymore. and even than mana for 1 or 2 points in wrath would be better as the talentpoints put in attributes too.

no, from low to mid pure ooze is better. and at end game in best case it does not make any difference anymore, but i think pure ooze with good usage of the spit-talent points is better.

Defeating a Minion Erebres is similiar to killing a Sedna, Qot, Tower Rook, or Assasin Erebres, it requires team work. Senda + Ooze Beast will more or less nullify him. Yes he may eat your towers, but he shouldn't be killing any demigods, so eventually he'll be forced to defend his base.

Oaks spirits are a wee bit more irritating however since he can just fly them off if he sees you comming. But its staying power is highly questionable against seasoned opponents.

I got bulwark at lvl 12 and got creeps before him, and yea I stacked hp and went spit/ooze

Sleepy tell me how u Counter with Sedna?
Just want to know that.

greetz

prone

A spit beast will never be able to take down an expereinced hybrid beast. However, if you go pure ooze, you won't even be able to touch him while he slowly bullies you off the flag. That's just how it is. Pure spit, pure ooze, and hybrid all have their uses ive found.

only because you say "that's how it is" makes it not true.

as i tried to point out (without explaining much) as hybrid you have two major problems:

1. mana thus resulting in less hp/dmg items

2. build order (and less of the passive attributes that seemed to be underestimated by many).

both points makes hybrid in the most cases, at the most levels less effective. i believe you make the mistake to compare two full hp/full mana beasts attacking each other. well, at least that's my opinion.

You don't need more than a 600 crown to support a hybrid build. You're not spamming spit every second. You can upgrade this to the 1750 one if you need mana that badly. Most of the passive attributes are for the chase portion of this game, all of which an ooze beast should never be coming into contact with a spit beast anyway.

If you go ooze against a spit beast, if he knows how to play, you WILL be pushed out of your lane alot sooner than you want to be. You can give up the mobility of the passive attributes for sheer flag domination as it is VERY difficult to move a hybrid beast off a flag with proper support. The lack of mobility is ALSO made up for flag hopping with tele scrolls late game.

Yes, you will get less kills with a hybrid build, but you won't BE killed as a hybrid against a good player. However, you won't be getting any kills against a spit beast as an ooze beast. My last game I played was very evident of just how much domination early game spit is against another beast. I nearly lost the game till I converted my build to a hybrid, in which the other beast became a mere joke in seconds.

The point of my post was you can't ooze what you're not near. And you're not near a spit beast till they go in for the kill.

I've got a question:

I guess that a lot of Minion Erebus take the Ring of Divine Might favor item. Does the temporary effect of this item also affect the Nightwalkers by temporarily increasing their damage?

I tested it with QoT and it does not affect her Shamblers, only the idol minions.

It doesn't increase their damage any further when activated, it simply makes them able to toss grunts up to priests asside.