Items for generals and items for Assasins.

hmmm.. theres alrdy that sort of stuff, they just havent been seperated from each other.

IMO, i think minions in this game have no place.

They have plenty of place its just that two of the generals get lots of extra minions for free and two of them don't which is a design problem.

If you use your minions well they can be very good. Except if you are Sedna... Yetis suck...

But to your idea Wagnard, I think that there already are items like this in the shops. But, as gkrit said, it isn't general or assasin specific. I don't think it has to be either. But well, it wouldn't hurt really with such items.

I kinda get what he is saying though. Its like there is items that help generals and assassins, but the assassins don't have a need for the general items, but the generals can use the assassin items. You know what I mean?

OK, its like the Generals have 30+ items to pick from (just throwing a number) and Assassins have like 20.

Plus I hate the fact that as an assassin I have to pay 1750 for Haubrek of Life for it to give plus health to the minions I don't control.

Yes there is item like that but what I want is that Generals wont be able to buy assasins equipement and vice-versa.

Oaks and Erebus' minions are actually quite usefull. But sedna's and qot kinda blow chunks...

As for class specific items, I'm not too convinced that it would be that good of an ideea. At first I tought it was fantastic but then I started thinking. I am guessing that you would like generals to have minion-oriented items and assassins have tanking and dps equipment.

I mostly play oak and reg. When I play oak, I play an assassin build (penitence, shield, surge of faith and divine justice, all maxed out) so minion equipment does not really help me here, and I would much prefere a strong armor that defends only me over a medium armor that gives buffs to my minions. Same goes for sedna, since I have yet to see one that has yetis and is any good.

One way the ideea will work is if you have separate tabs for assassins and generals. But any player can buy from both of those tabs, if he is a general in assassin build or some other wierd combo.

Well maybe my wishes will become true in a MOD

There are general only items, and associated items which assassins might not take (Stuff with +4 minion damage for example). What is missing IMO are Assassin only items!  I would like stuff that goes in slots that the general items go, but for assassins. These woudl be debuff items (Like AOE - health items tha towudl be say -300 health for 10 seconds, which woudl work not great vs DGs but wonderfully on minions!), buff items (Like maybe if u activate it it will give u bonus damage reduction from minions), and maybe a passive item or 2, like double health regen out of combat (like if you have not taken damage in 10 secodns u are out of combat).  I think those would be cool. But would need ot be balanced.

usually the items that r for generals, i never usually get them with my assassin char anyway. they seem that little less beneficial if i get a general weapon for an assassin char, coz of the unecessary stats. and because of those minions stats , the general half is a tad weaker.

If they removed idol minions from the game, and made point bought minions more viable, I believe the games balance would come closer to what it should be. As it stands now idol minions and swarms of erebi/oak minions are uncounterable with equal level assassin builds. Thats the opinion I hold, and to a certain point it is true. You can stack health and overcome minions... but in reality you have to nerf yourself just to counter a minion build that isn't fun to play as or against in the first place. This game sits in a place inbetween RTS games and DOTA style pvp, and the minion builds of various demigods are wrecking the potential of what this game could be.

There are many solutions to the overall balancing issues that arise when allowing such differentiating game plans, but in the end cutting out 1 extra variable would go the furthest to bring the game in line to where it was originally designed to be. As it stands now, generals and assassins have 3 things not in common. There special favors, the ability to buy idols, and the different moral/stat buying options. Eliminating the line of special favor items, and destroying idols or allowing all DG to purchase idols would be a viable way of equalizing the playing field.

Removing horn of battle and HoL was the first step in elimination of variables. As the developers eliminate more items that have adverse effects on game play, it will soon be realized that the ability of half the classes in the game to purchase idols has an imbalancing effect on the game as a whole. Either they must be purchasable by all DG, or by none. I also feel that favor items should be 100% universal. Blur the line between assassins and generals, and then define it through skill sets and play styles rather than restricting what items I can buy in game.

Maybe the "general" items that give bonuses for your minions could just be a bit cheaper for assasins or the minion stats could apply to the assasins aswell?

My whole point was that generals will stay generals on wont end up with assasins gear and in some case be more powerfull than an assasins.

I wish that if someone take the OAK for example, hes stuck with generals equipement only.

Thats my idea...  I wish I could se it official or in a MOD.

So that all generals could only play minion builds... hmm why would that be more fun?